Ghislaine Maxwell

You didn’t smile at the time MissA, that was what I was trying to say, though I hate to make such an analogy and I’m so very sorry such a terrible thing happened to you.

Perhaps the staff employed were of the same mindset as some here.
That would explain a lot.

controlling, not in control

Coercive persuasion (brainwashing) of someone does not make the actions of those doing the in control right.
The victims may be complicit because they are being controlled or are scared to refuse.

It is only later that a young victim may look back and realise that what happened to her when she was a child was wrong on all levels.

What was it called please?

MerylStreep

It was heartening to see from the documentary last night that there are an awful lot of lawyers in the US who do believe these girls and are incensed that these 2 monsters have got away with their heinous crimes for so long.

Oh yes! I shall now try to find that

I believe I've smiled a fair bit since watching my daughter die.
Is it a reflection of how it hasn't really affected me?
How very, very wrong anyone would be to judge me on the basis that I laugh and smile.

It was at the time of the alleged offences MissA, and she looked pretty happy to me. An apparent reflection of how she felt then.

It was heartening to see from the documentary last night that there are an awful lot of lawyers in the US who do believe these girls and are incensed that these 2 monsters have got away with their heinous crimes for so long.

I have said before and will say again, in the photo she doesn’t look unhappy, traumatised, afraid - all the things one might expect of a victim of trafficking. She was a young woman allegedly being well paid for the services she agreed to provide.

Bloody hell.

Does anyone think a victim should spend the rest of their life with a sad, abused face on??!

Some 16 year old girls can be very promiscuous without any grooming whatsoever. They find that they can have power over men and enjoy the attention.

Did I fall asleep and wake up in the 1950s?!?!?

And I agree with Germanshepardsmum

Bluebellwould

Some 16 year old girls can be very promiscuous without any grooming whatsoever. They find that they can have power over men and enjoy the attention. A lot of teenagers think that they know best and are rebellious. Would this case have been brought to trial in this country? I don’t know if it would.

This post deserves to be removed.

The truth will never be told.n

I believe Epstein was murdered

I don’t believe Virginia Giuffre

I don’t believe Andrew

I agree with Bluebellewould

I agree Bluebelle except that this isn’t a case being brought to trial, it’s a civil action brought by VG to obtain monetary ‘compensation’. The Met carried out an investigation and decided there were no grounds to prosecute. Even though over the age of consent here, if they had evidence that she was the victim of being trafficked here they could have sought to prosecute those responsible. I have said before and will say again, in the photo she doesn’t look unhappy, traumatised, afraid - all the things one might expect of a victim of trafficking. She was a young woman allegedly being well paid for the services she agreed to provide.

In the case of Savile I think it has been shown exactly what the truth is, despite all the outcry about the people he abused being liars, or money grabbing, or any of the other things that were said about them.

So no one in this can be trusted to tell the truth

Bluebellwould

Some 16 year old girls can be very promiscuous without any grooming whatsoever. They find that they can have power over men and enjoy the attention. A lot of teenagers think that they know best and are rebellious. Would this case have been brought to trial in this country? I don’t know if it would.

A lot of wealthy old perverts think that they can buy whatever they want, and that they are above the law.
They think that being powerful overrides any sense of decency and humanity, and they seek out other entitled old perverts to spend their leisure time with.
The better connected, the less chance of their misdemeanors being exposed.
Allegedly.

As far as I am aware there are laws against trafficking and child abuse in this country.

Some 16 year old girls can be very promiscuous without any grooming whatsoever. They find that they can have power over men and enjoy the attention. A lot of teenagers think that they know best and are rebellious. Would this case have been brought to trial in this country? I don’t know if it would.

The women who were mainly involved and given immunity have gone on with their lives, apart from Maxwell - I wonder if they ever feel a twinge of guilt?

Thank you.
I need to find out more about the whole set up.
I'll have a scout around and disappear down a rabbit hole

Thinking on why an abused girl might keep a photo? Perhaps because it was the only evidence she had to show in a world she knew was almost entirely stacked against her. In that instance I might keep the photo thinking that one day, when I was in a stronger position, I might use the damned thing to make the people who had wronged me pay - perhaps not in money, but with their reputation.

There are a couple of suggestions on here that coming forward and telling one's story of being abused might be distasteful, something that the poster wouldn't personally feel they would do...telling 'what was done to me' would be abhorrent to them. God, can you imagine how hard that must be....but the shame is not the victim's, is it?

MissAdventure

I presume that their employees weren't taken on because of their high moral standards.

No that doesn’t seem to be the case. First Epstein was very good at concealing much of what went on, and second the police seemed to be in his pocket. BVI owned by Epstein was a law unto itself.