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Harry’s ‘pop’ at Charles

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Bluebellwould Mon 06-Dec-21 11:46:10

Harry has apparently had another pop at his dad this time regarding the payment for honours debacle. Harry seems to keep on attacking Charles and I wondered if there might be a particular reason for this. In all of the multitudinous reports on their estrangement I haven’t seen anyone wondering if H is doing this because he believes/knows Charles is not his dad. I am not suggesting that is true but it may be his ‘truth’ as others have put it. Perhaps it would go some way to explain his seeming lack of belonging. Just musing on a grey day, please feel free to wade in or not as the case maybe.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 14:53:34

Anniebach

Anniebach
Off work for a couple of years, lived off benefits?

trisher when you walked out were you married with a wage
earning husband, or did you pay rent etc from benefits ?

Some think everyone has savings, no worries about the rent or
putting food on the table.

Those who support Harry’s advise , did you walk out of your job, were you a one parent family ?
Holy s***.

This thread is a disgrace in so many ways

Why is it a disgrace Alegrias1 you said a contact of yours had
left their job, trisher said she did so .

All I asked was how did they manage to live between jobs

Its none of your business how a person lives and its none of your business whether a person is married or not.

If someone is ill enough not to work, its none of anybody's business about how they support themselves.

I deleted the swear words.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Dec-21 15:16:52

How I wish I could have left the job which contributed hugely to my depression. I was on my own with a young child. No contribution from my ex. We would have lost our home that’s for sure. God knows how we would have coped, but after walking out of a job without another one lined up I think my prospects in the job market would have been pretty dire. Harry really has no idea. He lives in a gilded palace in la la land.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 15:28:41

I'm sorry to read that GSM, seriously. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

So I would have thought you might have had more sympathy for other people in the same situation.

Isn't there a certain well known and well liked Duchess who left her "job" of being a well known and highly visible Royal because of her MH issues? But then she wasn't living off benefits so I suppose that's OK. She'd managed to get herself married to a rich man so she was allowed to have MH issues and do something to fix them.

Calistemon Tue 07-Dec-21 15:29:37

Holy s***.

This thread is a disgrace in so many ways

I agree, accusing posters of being filled with hate because we mildly criticise a pampered, spoilt young man? Disgraceful.

Condemnation of those who ask how a person with a family to support, who was on the breadline anyway, would survive if they walked out of their job? Disgraceful.

Josianne Tue 07-Dec-21 15:36:02

I would have loved to have walked away from my very very stressful job and no one to this day knows the untold suffering it brought to my family. But I had many people relying on me, and on me alone, to provide them with with an income, an education and security in their lives. Call it responsibility, call it duty.
That is why I am dismayed and saddened at Harry saying people should just walk away when the going gets tough.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 15:37:37

Yes Calistemon, disgraceful.

There were questions directed at specific people about how they lived.

If someone came on here and said they'd have to leave work because they had a physical illness, cancer for instance, would we condone asking them if they lived off benefits? Would we ask them if their partner was working and had a wage? Would we want to know if they were a single parent, not to offer sympathy and advice, but to cast some doubt on whether they were right to make the decision they did?

Bl**dy disgraceful, and if you don't know why, then I don't know how to explain it to you.

Calistemon Tue 07-Dec-21 15:42:37

I didn't ask them so stop trying to insinuate that I did.

And as you know nothing at all about me, stop trying to twist what I post on thread after thread.

Thank you.

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 15:46:11

Oh do give over.

Anniebach posted them, I responded and you tried to say there was nothing disgraceful. I'm not insinuating anything about you as anyone reading the thread would see. Not the same in reverse though.

Its not all about you.

Calistemon Tue 07-Dec-21 15:50:17

Priceless (again)
???

Calistemon Tue 07-Dec-21 15:51:25

Anniebach - behave yourself!
?

Anniebach Tue 07-Dec-21 15:51:33

If someone said they had depression and wanted to leave their
job , say ‘I am so sorry, hope things improve for you,good luck’

Anniebach Tue 07-Dec-21 15:54:35

Calistemon Forgive me, I beg you ?,

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Dec-21 15:54:42

Thanks for your sympathy Alegrias. I appreciate it. The only comment I have made about how other people survive after walking out of a job is that it’s not as easy for ‘ordinary people’ as Harry seems to think. As regards Meghan leaving her ‘job’, I have never believed her stories about her MH, having experienced severe depression myself. She’s a professional actress I know, but there are limits to the act anyone can put on in that situation.

Grany Tue 07-Dec-21 15:55:54

Calistemon

Don't hate him in the slightest.

I just think he's a bit daft, unaware of what he says then does and its impact on others. The travel by private jet to lecture us on what not to do was one instance. I think a few people are a bit daft but I don't hate them as I don't know them.

He does keep us entertained, though!!

All RF travel by private jet and waste £millions of public money ?

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 15:56:36

I didn't mean Meghan.

Anniebach Tue 07-Dec-21 16:00:41

We know why Katherine Kent stopped carrying out public duties, we know she didn’t have to survive on benefits .

We know why Megan gave up her job, she found a wealthy husband so again we know she didn’t have to survive on benefits.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Dec-21 16:01:12

I sincerely apologise Alegrias. I had no idea. The Duchess of Kent’s battle with dementia has been obvious for years and she has bravely appeared in public nevertheless. A kind lady who has quietly done much for charitable causes over many years. I wouldn’t say a word against her.

Lucca Tue 07-Dec-21 16:03:16

“ because we mildly criticise a pampered, spoilt young man? “

Goodness I’d hate to see what comes up when it’s strongly criticise !!

Josianne Tue 07-Dec-21 16:03:32

I'm a bit confused by Harry's job title Chief Impact Officer. Does that mean he has to bear the brunt of everything that gets lobbed his way? If so, he needs to put up with up with the worst of the circumstances and stop criticising. Man up

If however it means he himself is to have a huge impact on our thinking, then his words need to be chosen very carefully.

Anniebach Tue 07-Dec-21 16:06:50

Katherine Kent retired age 69

Alegrias1 Tue 07-Dec-21 16:09:18

Germanshepherdsmum

I sincerely apologise Alegrias. I had no idea. The Duchess of Kent’s battle with dementia has been obvious for years and she has bravely appeared in public nevertheless. A kind lady who has quietly done much for charitable causes over many years. I wouldn’t say a word against her.

I admire her too GSM. She was in the position that when she had MH issues (I didn't know she had dementia) she was able to disappear from public eye and basically give up her "job" for her own health. If she had been a single parent in a high rise somewhere she might have had to soldier on. So any implications from anywhere that people with MH issues are taking the easy way out by leaving jobs that make them unhappy is so unfair.

Just because some people have to soldier on that doesn't make what Harry said ridiculous. He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy. What's wrong with that? People only react to that they way the do because its Harry who said it and there is so much hate antipathy towards him.

Josianne Tue 07-Dec-21 16:18:12

He didn't say anything about just walking out of a job, he said leave a job that makes you unhappy.
Alegrias If you read what I said twice, it was walk away from a job and not just walk out. Please do not twist prepositions.

Calistemon Tue 07-Dec-21 16:19:07

Lucca

“ because we mildly criticise a pampered, spoilt young man? “

Goodness I’d hate to see what comes up when it’s strongly criticise !!

Some of us mildly criticise him because we are rather bemused by him and his utterings now.
Does he really understand what he is talking about?
He has a high profile as a member of the Royal Family and is using that as a platform for his views.

As a not-that-intellectual ex-Army Officer would anyone be interested otherwise?

TerriBull Tue 07-Dec-21 16:22:44

Alegrias1

I'm sorry to read that GSM, seriously. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.

So I would have thought you might have had more sympathy for other people in the same situation.

Isn't there a certain well known and well liked Duchess who left her "job" of being a well known and highly visible Royal because of her MH issues? But then she wasn't living off benefits so I suppose that's OK. She'd managed to get herself married to a rich man so she was allowed to have MH issues and do something to fix them.

The Duchess of Kent is well liked because she behaves with dignity. She appears to come across as a very private person who, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't made any MH issues she may have or had public. I believe she's working as a music teacher in a school and pours herself into that. I don't imagine we can expect to see her being interviewed by a high profile broadcaster giving a moany interview about how harshly life has treated her.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 07-Dec-21 16:29:41

She appeared very bewildered at William and Kate’s wedding, as though she really didn’t know where she was or what was going on. I felt so sorry for her. And I recall a story years ago about her having a miscarriage and being badly affected mentally by it - whether true or not I don’t know. But if someone can leave their job without leaving those who rely on them destitute it’s nobody else’s business. I wasn’t in that fortunate position and I doubt that many are, unless perhaps they are so badly paid that going onto benefits for a while won’t make much difference to their situation . In fact I think that if I had heard Harry’s words back then it would have made me feel even worse. I learned that to be able to make real choices in life is a great luxury.