Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

We had a long convoluted thread about women's refuges when I said that everyone entering was and had to be risk assessed and I trusted the staff to do it. And you told me you didn't trust the staff. How on earth is that being Opposed to paperwork ?
I meant paperwork as in carrying papers. If you are not 'picking holes' in what I am saying, I don't know how that 'confusion' could possibly have arisen. My reference in the next paragraph confirmed it anyway. For avoidance of feigned doubt, I am not suggesting that carrying papers is a good idea either, so please don't go down that road.

Further, when we talked about refuges, I did not say that I didn't trust the staff ?. I said that there was a lot of confusion over the legal position as regards transpeople's rights, and I stand by that - it is not 'misinformation'.

I don't know how many times I have posted my own ideas, or how else I can express them. Other people have no problem with understanding what I am saying, or grasping that they are my ideas.

(Thank you DiamondLily)

Does ‘not choosing to enter a dialogue with someone’ mean you can say what you like about someone and not have to worry about their responses

No MollyGo, it's a euphemism, used only on the wild and wacky transgender threads on GN, when someone has been presented with an immutable, undeniable fact that they don't particularly like but have no reasonable argument with which to oppose it. It's commonly known as "in a strop". Does that help?

Thank you Chewbacca. It’s good to know.

Chewbacca Isn't a pity when someone has been consistently misrepresented is picked up for a single letter typo with the one of the most mysoginist remarks someone can make ^Since you posted On 31.12.21 @22:39 that you consider woman means anyone “*who wishes to be called a women*”
_(problems with plurals dear?)_^
other women wade in with in a strop.
You do learn however just how shallow some peope's feminism realy is.
No matter how much I would disagree with someone I would never address someone as "dear" or describe any woman as "in a strop" They are both terms used by men to denigrate women.

David Cameron and "Calm down dear" shows how sexist some people are. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKBSYqtu7M

Here's another man who, faced with the consequences of his paedophilliac actions, has decided that he's actually a woman:

A sex offender has appeared in court days before Christmas - dressed as an elf.

Janiel Verainer was allowed to sit next to a helper in the public gallery rather than in the dock at Maidstone Crown Court.
The 60-year-old was dressed in a red and green seasonal outfit, together with a woollen cardigan with a Santa Claus badge, and a red and green elf-like cap.
As Verainer - who was addressed as she throughout the 15-minute hearing - walked into court together with a helper, bells jangled from the costume.
Thumb-sucking Verainer, of High Street, Chatham, admitting a breach of a Sexual Harm Prevention Order. Judge Philip St-John Stevens heard that between December 18, 2019, and January 31 this year Verainer approached two children.
He was told that the incidents - which involved kissing the girls on the lips - was in breach of an order imposed at Canterbury Crown Court in November 2016 - which meant Verainer had to stay away from children. of the breaches were not outlined in detail before the judge adjourned sentence until February 25 next year for a probation report to be prepared. A psychiatric report has already been done.

Three other charges of failing to comply with the SHPO will remain on file.
At an earlier hearing - appearing in pigtails and sucking a dummy - Verainer had denied the charges.

In November 2016 Verainer was given a ticking off from a judge - after sitting in the dock during a case hugging a large doll. Judge Adele Williams told defence barrister Paul Hogben: “That is totally inappropriate and I make it plain she will not be doing that for the rest of the hearing.”

On that occasion Verainer, asking to be called Jorven Seren and claiming to identify as a five year-old girl, was jailed for 15 months for kissing a girl outside a cafe in Thanet.
Then living in Grotto Hill, Margate, indecent images were also found on Verainer's phone.

At the time psychiatrists concluded the defendant had personality problems but no mental health issues.

Another male sexual predator that will skew the stats for women. Another male sexual predator that will share a cell with a vulnerable woman.

Awaits the the usual nonsense arguments as to why this is nothing to do with trans....

But trisher, you question my understanding of sex and gender, which is clearer and more accurate than yours, as it does not change just because a TW who wished to be called a woman did something that you dislike.
In your 31.12.21 @ 23:39 post you made it very clear what you think qualifies someone to be a woman . . . and then changed your mind when it didn’t suit.
In the same way @12:39, you said you choose not to enter into a dialogue with me and changed your mind about that too.
How am I supposed to know which of your opinions are permanently true or immutable, like sex and which are liable change?

I think that the TW in the OP committed major damage to most TW by saying appearing like a woman and saying he was a woman in addition to the crimes of which he was accused.
I think the same applies to any TW who causes harm, fear or distress to a woman (AHF just to clarify) by acting like the man he actually is.

You do learn though how shallow some women’s feminising actually is
Pot kettle black or projection Trisha

Chewbacca I’ve posted about this recent trans women five year old elf on another of these interminable yjrrsds but apologies, I can’t remember where
No doubt one of the apologists will be along to tell us trans is irrelevant here, nope it isn’t. Personality disorders are relevant here. Of course I don’t say body dysmorphia equals trans. Some people with PD’s are drawn to extremes. This individual typifies thst. Someone seeking a campaign to latch on to,
It’s significant the psych says not mh problems, personality problems

I think that the TW in the OP committed major damage to most TW by saying appearing like a woman and saying he was a woman in addition to the crimes of which he was accused.
I think the same applies to any TW who causes harm, fear or distress to a woman (AHF just to clarify) by acting like the man he actually is.

Completely agree with you Molly. The dog raping paedophile and the thumb sucking paedophile detailed in this thread have done the trans community no favours whatsoever. The more incidents of sexually predative weirdos that suddenly decide they're trans; the more damage they're doing. Time for the TRAs to acknowledge what's happening and do something about it.

Of course trans is irrelevant or are you now saying that because he dressed as an elf all elves should be viewed as paedophiles?
They are nothing to do with the trans community and implying they are is not only transphobic it's plainly insupportable. Do you have any evidence that this man dressed as a woman or lived as a woman. Just because you choose the pronoun "she" it does not link you with the trans community.

I identify as someone who would laugh like a drain at some pillock dressed as an elf and sucking his thumb.

Molly go your constant posting of smiley faces obviously reveals how seriously you take this thread.
I will try again. Sex is immutable. You are either male of female apart from a few people who are born what was once known as inter-sex.
Gender is the social construct which develops and changes
And in fact some scientists are now coming to think that sex is not binary but may be on a sliding scale.
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363
I'm still waiting for someone to explain exactly what they want to see done.

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Of course trans is irrelevant

It's not irrelevant to John Claire Goodier
It's not irrelevant to Janiel Verainer -- Jorven Seren--

Or any of the twelve trans prisoners convicted of violence or sexual crimes who have been accommodated in Scottish women’s jails within the past 18 months, according to figures released under Freedom of Information laws.

Are you going to tell them trisher?

It's not irrelevant to "Jessica" Smith: A transgender woman who has been jailed for arranging to meet what she thought were 14 and 12-year-old girls for sex.

trisher

Of course trans is irrelevant or are you now saying that because he dressed as an elf all elves should be viewed as paedophiles?
They are nothing to do with the trans community and implying they are is not only transphobic it's plainly insupportable. Do you have any evidence that this man dressed as a woman or lived as a woman. Just because you choose the pronoun "she" it does not link you with the trans community.

Of course trans is irrelevant or are you now saying that because he dressed as an elf all elves should be viewed as paedophiles?
Who said that, or anything like it?

They are nothing to do with the trans community and implying they are is not only transphobic it's plainly insupportable.
How do you know? You are making a giant assumption here, presumably based on your obsession with supporting transpeople regardless of what they do, and/or this peculiar way of thinking that says that if a transperson commits a crime they can't be trans.

It is not transphobic to link someone who says they identify as a woman with the trans community. You have repeatedly said that all someone has to do to be a woman is say they identify as such, and lo! it comes to pass.

How can you say that this is not what these men are doing, which would mean that your refusal to deny them their identity is, by your standards, transphobic. You could, on the other hand, agree with what many of us have been saying all along, which is that people simply saying they are women doesn't make it so. That would not detract from your support of transpeople - as we keep saying, but are so rudely disbelieved, we don't have an issue with transpeople living as such. The issue is with their saying they are women and expecting to be treated as such even when this puts actual women at risk.

Do you have any evidence that this man dressed as a woman or lived as a woman. Just because you choose the pronoun "she" it does not link you with the trans community.
Do you have evidence that s/he didn't? Just because you are a sex offender does not mean that you cannot be trans. (Again, for avoidance of feigned doubt, this is not to be interpreted as saying that sex offending is linked to trans status in any way.)

It's not irrelevant to Aaron Alexis Herschell "the first prisoner in Scotland to change gender while on remand – was caught when a detective visited him to check he was obeying the court order restricting his internet use."

I'm still waiting for someone to explain exactly what they want to see done.
People have explained over and over. Maybe their posts were too long, or you had decided to refuse to engage with them, but we have repeatedly explained what we would like to see happen.

It's not irrelevant to Michael Michelle Winters a "transgender rapist has been jailed for 15 years after attacking a woman who was left covered in bruises from the assault."

Its not irrelevant to Allan Jessica Brennan "A serial paedophile who carried out ‘vile’ attacks on children as young as four has been jailed for 22 years."

It's not irrelevant to Karen White who is a rapist who was jailed and then raped female prisoners. Definitely not irrelevant to him.

The Times today:

Trans prisoners ‘switch gender again’ once freed from women’s units

On Christmas Eve, Scotland’s prison population stood at 7,435, with only 259 listed as women
Female prisoners in Scottish jails have told how transgender inmates serving sentences alongside them switched back to their male birth gender after being released.

The disclosure — in a study published in the British Journal of Criminology — has raised fresh concerns about self-identification of gender posing a risk to women’s safety as first minister Nicola Sturgeon prepares to press ahead with gender recognition legislation this year.

That's quite a rogues' gallery, Chewbacca!

It's not irrelevant to the women incarcerated with them either - it's the stuff of nightmares.

Sorry my posts interrupted your flow.

Good but of research there chewbacca. Is the percentage of trans identifying sex offenders disproportionate

Oh I take this matter very seriously, but faced with your convoluted posts, I have to give a wry smile which I share.
Thank you for agreeing that sex is immutable. Just checking here; to me that means men can never be female no matter how they dress, or present or what they wish to be. Still agree?

I’m still waiting to see people explain exactly what they want done.
About what?
About this particular case? For me a woman is an adult human female so this man could never have claimed to be a woman and the discussion about where he was imprisoned is simple.
That doesn’t stop all the transwomen who cause no harm in the ways I’ve already described many times from living as women and I have no problem with that so please don’t drag out the usual accusations.

I quite like GagaJo’s idea that a ‘real transwoman’ wouldn’t do something like raping a dog, but I’ll go one step further and say rape with a penis is a male crime so he could only ever be an example of her ‘pretend -trans’, harmful to transwomen’s acceptance.
About all the other diversions you have mentioned?
I can’t even begin to answer until I know what you mean.
Have you read the article about the number of ‘transwomen’ who revert to being men once they are released from prison?
Why do you think that is?
Does it do the lives and reputations of transwomen any good?

Sorry , in case anybody hadn’t guessed, or wonders if I meant them, that response was to trisher.