Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

It is strange isnt it MissAdventure? And those who leap to the offenders defence and claim that his sudden "gender awakening" is nothing to do with his depravity, always claim to be a sympathetic trans supporting feminist. They clearly have no sympathy for the women who have to share prison cells with these men; locked up with them for 20 hours a day. Anyone who is willing to throw vulnerable women under the bus, in the name of trans rights, are NOT feminists.

Agree Chewbacca

Agree with your post of 12.09 Chewbacca

I’m not, of course, suggesting that anyone would defend his actions, nor that they are in any way typical of transpeople (or of humans of any stripe), but I am asking trans allies how a convicted paedophile who used his penis to have sex with a dog can be counted as female in the statistics and housed in a woman’s prison? Seriously?
I said this on page 1 of this thread, and I don’t think anyone has contradicted it. It is not his trans status that is the issue in itself- it is the skewing of crime stats, the sudden decision on his part to ‘become female’, and the chance that he will be housed in a women’s prison. All of these things work against women’s interests, IMO - do you disagree?

Sorry - that was to trisher. I thought I had quoted her last post.

I'm waiting to see where the next angle is taking us..

Indeed MisAdventure.

trisher said The first sentence [..] is deliberately designed to make it apear a transgender issue. It isn't. It's an issue of a sexual pervert who has major problems.

It's an issue of a male sexual pervert who is now being treated as a female because of transgender policies of the police, prison service and media.

If those transgender policies did not exist (accept someone's 'gender identity' as being their sex) there would be no need for a thread about this person, other than to say 'Isn't he disgusting' which I wouldn't bother to do.

No man with male genitalia, whatever he likes to identify himself as, should be allowed anywhere near a woman's prison.
Female prisoners have their 'rights' as well.

trisher

Well as a transgender prison unit was opened in 2020 hopefully this person will be accommodated there. It is a problem which arose very recently and it is being dealt with.

trisher if this isn't a transgender issue, why do you hope that this person is being housed in the trans wing?

Male genitalia or not, no male criminal should be in a women's prison.

To clarify it for posters who despite reading posts above, think this shouldn’t be a transgender issue; if the perpetrator hadn’t claimed to be a woman, it would have been reported as pervert rapes dog and films the act. We all know that rape with a penis means it must have been a man so his sex wouldn’t have needed reporting.
Perhaps if some posters put as much effort into supporting the idea that using transgender to confuse statistics on male crimes is wrong instead of supporting mens rights to commit them and claiming that those who don’t support these criminals are transphobic, we might make progress.

Good post MollyGo but for a few people, it's more of a knee jerk reaction to being perceived as a "trans ally and therefore a good person" that propels them, rather than actually looking at the harm that weirdos like this do to the genuine trans community and all women in society. They need to give their heads a wobble and see the bigger problem.

Agreed, Chewbacca.

It puts me in mind of White Fragility, which is where white people are so resistant to being thought racist that they can't bring themselves to discuss the issues around racism fully and frankly. They are so ingrained in the thinking that racism is bad, so racists are bad people. They see themselves as good, so therefore they can't be racist, so there is no need for them to explore the thinking behind some of the things they believe.

This was discussed a lot at the time of George Floyd's murder, and I pin what little hope I have left for feminism on there being a similar school of thought coming soon as regards trans issues and so-called trans-allies. I don't doubt that a lot of trans allies believe that they are feminist, and that they are acting out of a wish to support trans people, but IMO they are misguided in the same way as the people described in White Fragility.

I’m late to this thread, and I must admit that I can’t stomach to read it all, or indeed at all.
But I’ve just seen the photo that
Chewbacca posted, and
all I can say is, just how f***ing dare he

Why isn't this person in Broadmoor rather than a prison? Perversion on this level is a surely a mental problem and not going to be affected by a prison sentence. All prison will do is take him off the streets for a few months.

Trisher. You can't blame an entire section of society for an individual crime.

Now you hold on there! Nobody is blaming whole sections of society and your clumsy attempt to draw comparisons with the murder of a child by women in a same sex relationship is pretty feeble not to say pathetic .

This man has raped a dog and apparently engaged in paedophilia in the past. He’s a man with a penis who is now identifying as a woman. I haven’t seen one post on here that castigates trans people in general. I shouldn’t even be trying to explain as I know from past threads it’s a waste of time. When you’re attempting to defend one of your ‘causes’ you lack all objectivity.

Chewbacca

Good post MollyGo but for a few people, it's more of a knee jerk reaction to being perceived as a "trans ally and therefore a good person" that propels them, rather than actually looking at the harm that weirdos like this do to the genuine trans community and all women in society. They need to give their heads a wobble and see the bigger problem.

Totally agree. People are so busy tying themselves in knots so as not to appear transphobic that the crime itself is buried in the angst. If there was no previous evidence of this criminal having wished to be treated as a woman, if he suddenly expressed this wish after having been arrested for his disgusting crimes then it should be disregarded otherwise where will it end?

Statistics are still recorded on categories of sex for those who are concerned about this assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938360/statistics-on-women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019.pdf
If you don't want to read it it states in the introduction ^‘Sex’ can be considered to refer to whether someone is male or female based on their physiology, with ‘gender’ representing a social construct or sense of self that takes a wider range of forms.
Throughout this report we refer to sex rather than gender, because the binary classification better reflects how individuals are generally reported or managed through the CJS.^

I think castration and removal of their penis, in this particular case, before putting them in a woman’s prison.

It’s interesting that some posters believe this man should be in a mental health facility. Yes his sexual behaviour has caused harm to children and there is evidence of beastiality because he filmed it. By the time men with his kind of sexual drives is arrested, it’s not unusual for there to be a history of similar behaviour. He is sexually attracted to children and animals.

Some years ago offenders could have an indeterminate sentence because of the level of risk posed. That was overturned because so many men were imprisoned in that way.

There was discussion about a diagnosis of psychopathic personality disorder resulting in offenders being placed in secure m.h.units because PPD was considered untreatable.

20 months in HMP will not change this individuals sexual proclivities. I’m not a hang and flog ‘em type but I don’t know of any treatment that would reduce his risk

Quelle surprise. Posts are being reported and deleted on this thread!

Their castrated parts, in a women's prison?
That's a bit harsh!

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25Avalon

I think castration and removal of their penis, in this particular case, before putting them in a woman’s prison.

It is posts like this which make me angry, albeit and understandable knee jerk reaction The understanding and acceptance of genuine transgender people is put at risk, all because a male rapist, paedophile and animal abuser waves the self id flag around and authorities tie themselves in knots to avoid being jumped on by the TGA club.

25Avalon

I think castration and removal of their penis, in this particular case, before putting them in a woman’s prison.

Why on earth would you want to put this person in a female prison, under any circumstances?