Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

That's the original title.
What was wrong with it GagaJo?

GagaJo what solution do you see to the problem of male people such as this criminal being allowed to identify his way into women's prison, of women's hospital ward, or women's refuge?

You're trying to make a 4 word sentence into a struggle? Try harder next time.

I’m not the one struggling though ?

I will repeat my post without the deleted quote.

Person rapes dog repeatedly with their penis, films themselves whilst doing so and then decides to self identify as a women.

Who in their right mind would think that is ok?

GillT57

25Avalon

I think castration and removal of their penis, in this particular case, before putting them in a woman’s prison.

It is posts like this which make me angry, albeit and understandable knee jerk reaction The understanding and acceptance of genuine transgender people is put at risk, all because a male rapist, paedophile and animal abuser waves the self id flag around and authorities tie themselves in knots to avoid being jumped on by the TGA club.

Agreed. The cause of genuine transpeople has been set back years by this nonsense, and it was so unnecessary.

GagaJo

So, given the 5 year wait for medical referral, how else do you suggest trans people identify?

You're missing the point there, Gagajo

This thread is about a paedophile now convicted of bestiality, who suddenly declares that he is transgender probably to get a softer sentence.

It is nothing to do with the transgender community and I think the transgender community would be appalled at his crimes and his claims.
He's jumping on current issues for his own ends, knowing that it would be non-pc to question his claims.

Person rapes dog repeatedly with their penis, films themselves whilst doing so and then decides to self identify as a women. Who in their right mind would think that is ok?

Nobody has said it is ok, though. From either 'side' of the discussion.

Doodledog

*Person rapes dog repeatedly with their penis, films themselves whilst doing so and then decides to self identify as a women. Who in their right mind would think that is ok?*

Nobody has said it is ok, though. From either 'side' of the discussion.

Sorry just realised my post doesn’t make sense without quoting the deleted post.

Of course I realise nobody has said it’s ok, I was trying to illustrate that the convicted person is now self identifying as a female, they are the one bringing this into the trans community.u

Hear, Hear , 25Avalon: I agree.

Grandtante finds it amusing , doesn’t believe it matters whether this individual is in a male or female prison, it matters. Women in prison are likely to have been victimised sexually, emotionally, physically, as children and in adult life. Many of them would benefit from being in a mental health facility with various opportunities for therapy.

A discussion on where limited resources should be aimed in the criminal justice system would be interesting. My understanding is that investment in perpetrator programmes don’t yield good results

This person doesn't need to be in a prison. He (please note my use of the pronoun). He needs to be in a secure mental health facility. His acts were criminal but he is clearly not of sound mind.

He's jumping on current issues for his own ends, knowing that it would be non-pc to question his claims.

And yet not a single trans-supporter on here is supporting him. We of course question his claims because he is a sexual deviant/pervert/whatever other strong language you chose to use. His claims are spurious. No one would accept them.

So I think the accepted answer to the deliberately provocative first sentence on the OP- Possibly some on this site think this is non-controversial non-news of a vulnerable transwoman.

Is No they don't!

trisher

So I think the accepted answer to the deliberately provocative first sentence on the OP- Possibly some on this site think this is non-controversial non-news of a vulnerable transwoman.

Is No they don't!

QED trisher.

Can we please leave the fact that we all agree that his behaviour was not caused by his trans status now, then?

Instead, can we look at the other issues? Should a convicted criminal be able to self-id and be automatically treated as female? Should convicted sex offenders with penises be held in women’s jails? Should transgender people be counted as their birth sex in official statistics?

Also,might someone would like to PM me the details of the deleted posts, that would be good, please? It’s a pain when you are involved in a conversation and bits of it disappear when you go to change the sheets.

That should say ‘if’, not ‘might’?

trisher

Statistics are still recorded on categories of sex for those who are concerned about this assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/938360/statistics-on-women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2019.pdf
If you don't want to read it it states in the introduction ^‘Sex’ can be considered to refer to whether someone is male or female based on their physiology, with ‘gender’ representing a social construct or sense of self that takes a wider range of forms.
Throughout this report we refer to sex rather than gender, because the binary classification better reflects how individuals are generally reported or managed through the CJS.^

That means (or should mean) that the criminal justice system records crime statistics under categories of biological sex, and records sex crimes committed by transpeople under their biological/natal/DNA sex, not as their acquired trans sex gender. But is that what really happens?

GagaJo

This person doesn't need to be in a prison. He (please note my use of the pronoun). He needs to be in a secure mental health facility. His acts were criminal but he is clearly not of sound mind.

It could be dual purpose, Gagajo.
Broadmoor, Ashworth or Rampton.

His claims are spurious. No one would accept them.

Wrong. The judiciary and others probably will accept them, I could tell you of claims and compensation paid that would send the majority of people into a tailspin. I can’t though for reasons of confidentiality.

Prisons are full of inmates that should be in mental health facilities. Many are pathetic, mostly harmless individuals who are in danger in prison. People such as this man are plenty unfortunately.

trisher and GagaJo “not a single trans-supporter on here is supporting him”

Great! If you’re not supporting him, that means you don’t think he should be incarcerated in a women’s prison either.
Hurray.
Perhaps near you there’s a prison for TW guilty of sex crimes or bestiality. No problem, they can all go there. Until there are separate prisons like that, males should be in male prisons.
That’s what ‘not supporting’ means.

That’s what ‘not supporting’ means. Ah a visit from the unofficial thread police, determining what we are allowed to think and say.

I reiterate, that bloke needs to be in a secure mental health facility. NOT a prison. He is not sane.

I reiterate, that bloke needs to be in a secure mental health facility. NOT a prison. He is not sane.

I don’t believe you’re a psychiatrist so how can you determine whether or not he’s insane? Just because someone does stuff that we find repulsive doesn’t mean they’re insane.

Years ago they thought homosexuality was a form of mental illness. People who are depraved aren’t insane.