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Prince Andrew Can't Sweat

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Caleo Sun 02-Jan-22 11:27:37

Doing wrong is not black and white even in law.

My own father who of course had never heard of Prince Andrew, could not sweat. My mother , who had never heard of Prince Andrew, told me this when I was was girl . My mother did not explain about the adrenaline thing as she had no medical knowledge, but after Andrew's admission about not sweating . I can understand how hormones are affected by some severe life events. My father was at the Eastern Front during the Great War.

Also in support of Prince Andrew, he probably did not even know that it was illegal or even immoral to shag an unknown and poor seventeen year old girl. Very rich people have odd childhoods, and it takes special efforts by parents and teachers to teach them what real life is.

Galaxy Tue 11-Jan-22 17:42:18

No I dont think she or he can consent GSM I dont know how many ways I can say it.

Anniebach Tue 11-Jan-22 17:43:20

Giuffrie was 17 and in employment

Peasblossom Tue 11-Jan-22 17:47:23

It’s only evidence that should be taken into consideration.

Not the group you identify with who can count on your vote regardless.

It’s a bit more serious than sisterly duty to find someone guilty of a crime, because you believe they always must be, just because of who they are.

If you substituted an ethnic minority for ‘men’ in that statement you’d horrified.

eazybee Tue 11-Jan-22 17:50:49

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Galaxy Tue 11-Jan-22 17:52:44

Oh my christ. I am out. I can't be involved in this kind of discussion.

Peasblossom Tue 11-Jan-22 17:55:24

That’s why it’s the adults responsibility should say no.

He had the choice to go straight to the Management.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 11-Jan-22 18:05:08

You see not to be able to accept what I and others have said Galaxy. Not all young girls are sweet and innocent. Many know the score and how to manipulate. I have asked you a couple of times if you accept that young girls can and do initiate sex and later decide to go to the police although they knew very well what they were doing, and/or commence proceedings for 'compensation' if the chap has some money. You haven't replied. Young girls can be pretty evil, it's not only men who take advantage.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 11-Jan-22 18:07:54

I read and understood your post eazybee. Not sure why it was deleted but these things do happen as you have shown. Others would prefer to think otherwise and wear the rose tinted specs.

trisher Tue 11-Jan-22 18:13:20

No "rose tinted specs" GSM. There are precocious children some of whom will proposition men and offer sex. All the men have to do is say "no".

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 11-Jan-22 18:22:51

The 'men' may be only a year or two older than them trisher. How easy is it for a young lad to say no?

trisher Tue 11-Jan-22 18:31:05

OMG not the old chestnut of "he can't help it". I thought that was chucked out years ago along with "if you don't let me it's really painful for me" and "I just got carried away"
Boys can say "no" Boys should be educated and taught responsibility.

Anniebach Tue 11-Jan-22 18:33:19

If sex is offered all the men have to do is say no ?

If men ask for sex all the girl has to do is say no .

Jackiest Tue 11-Jan-22 18:33:54

There was a girl in my school who set herself the challenge to have sex with every boy in the school and did not limit her activity to just school boys. She was only 15 when she started. Should every one of the boys she trapped be charged and have a criminal record. The police did get involved and took the sensible approach of just talking to her about it.

VioletSky Tue 11-Jan-22 18:36:43

trisher

No "rose tinted specs" GSM. There are precocious children some of whom will proposition men and offer sex. All the men have to do is say "no".

This

Men do not actually keep their brains in their pants and are equipped to ensure they are not breaking the laws of the country they are residing in and not using anyone for sex who has been abused, lied to or coerced.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 11-Jan-22 18:44:09

You are still talking about 'men' VS. See J's post above. I have not talked only of 'men'. I agree that boys should be educated and taught responsibility trisher but not all are. Like girls, they come from all sorts of backgrounds.

trisher Tue 11-Jan-22 18:47:22

I don't know why a discussion about a girl who was the victim of sexual abuse involved with a man and woman both found guilty of crimes has morphed into if it's OK for a girl to have sex before the legal age of consent. Even if it is OK it really has nothing to do with PA and VG.
No answer about the cost of a 13 year old GSM?

trisher Tue 11-Jan-22 18:49:32

I do notice that the inaccuracies posted on here like VG having a boyfriend when she was 13 (he just happened to be a sex trafficker).

VioletSky Tue 11-Jan-22 18:51:04

No I'm talking about the law and what abuse is and t he damage it does to a developing mind, with a little agreeing with trisher thrown in

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Anniebach Tue 11-Jan-22 19:02:01

trisher you have remembered the topic of this thread !

trisher Tue 11-Jan-22 19:31:00

Germanshepherdsmum

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Really but if we are to decide what is abuse and what isn't we have to have some sort of standard don't we? So if a 13 year old is beaten you accept it is abuse. If there is no beating we should look at what else was involved. A poor girl will presumably be able to have sex and it not be abuse if she is financially rewarded (although prostitution is also illegal so 2 laws are being broken) shouldn't we then decide a bottom line? If she is fed for example, or given expensive clothes, or gets to live somewhere nice. If she has sex with more than 1 man is that OK as long as she's paid more?
If you believe 13 year old girls can decide to have sex at least consider what they get out of it.

Personally I think it shouldn't happen. I accept sometimes it does but that is entirely irrelevant. Trying to say VG had a boyfriend at 13 seems to be part of your argument. He was 65years old he was convicted of prositution offences. Was he really her "boyfriend" or her abuser?

Bridgeit Tue 11-Jan-22 20:00:44

Peasblossom just to say I agree with your comments.

Bridgeit Tue 11-Jan-22 20:05:15

Well said Trisher.

Summerlove Wed 12-Jan-22 02:21:27

Germanshepherdsmum

The 'men' may be only a year or two older than them trisher. How easy is it for a young lad to say no?

Are you actually for real?

Poor boys. “Can’t” say no.

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