NHS staff making themselves unemployed by not having the Covid vaccine

I saw one being interviewed on tv last week. She didn't want the vaccine because she was young and healthy,I thought she was very selfish.She could lose her job over it,why can't they just get vaccinated.

I have a friend who will loose her job come April as she refuses to have the vaccine.
I do not have any sympathy for her what so ever. Sorry if that sounds hard. My husband is clinically vulnerable along with so many here on gransnet. He is fully vaccinated but should he get covid he may not survive or be very ill.
I think it's very selfish unless there us a medical reason why they cannot have the vaccination.

Getting rid of large numbers of NHS staff so the system collapses and they can sell it to the yanks? Savid was in California not long ago. I’m too cynical!

As a CEV patient due to severe immunity issues I do NOT want to be treated at any of my many hospital appointments by someone not vaccinated. Problem is - as patients we aren’t party to a health professional’s vaccine status. So my only way of feeling safe would be to know that from later in the year anyone I am seen by is vaccinated.

Test all the unvaccinated for natural immunity and they would not need the vaccines

That seems like logical common sense to me topcat but not many on here would agree.

topcat “ This was after all a bioweapon accidentally released from a lab why would anyone then want to purposefully inject themselves with it? ”
I don’t want to argue with your views on staff being jabbed, but I don’t think the Covid vaccine works the same way as other vaccines that use a live virus , so we are not being injected with Covid.

Callistemon21

^Test all the unvaccinated for natural immunity and they would not need the vaccines^

That seems like logical common sense to me topcat but not many on here would agree.

I agree that testing for antibodies is an alternative to vaccination, both sensible and practical.

Atqui

topcat “ This was after all a bioweapon accidentally released from a lab why would anyone then want to purposefully inject themselves with it? ”
I don’t want to argue with your views on staff being jabbed, but I don’t think the Covid vaccine works the same way as other vaccines that use a live virus , so we are not being injected with Covid.

No, it's not a live vaccine

Larsonsmum

As a CEV patient due to severe immunity issues I do NOT want to be treated at any of my many hospital appointments by someone not vaccinated. Problem is - as patients we aren’t party to a health professional’s vaccine status. So my only way of feeling safe would be to know that from later in the year anyone I am seen by is vaccinated.

And yet I bet you would have had no quarms about being treated last year in an emergency situation when all the Nurses and Doctors had not been vaccinated or even had the proper PPE ..so why is it any different now ?
On another note my in my fathers care home …half the staff there had covid before Christmas all had been Vaccinated ..because those that were not lost their jobs ..so it seems to me it makes no difference either way .

I thought, if you were sacked, you could still get benefits. Walking out meant you couldn't. As for wondering why they are rejecting the vax, it may be that because they work in the medical profession they know where to look for data other than what is presented to the public but I always thought something was 'dodgy' about it.
1) PHE and gov.uk downgraded it from a HCID 4 days before the 1st lockdown but Boris went ahead.
2) Pharmaceutical companies got indemnity from blame for adverse reactions. I don't know if doctors and nurses got the same but the Joe Pubic volunteers probably aren't covered.
3) how could they have tested the vaks reactions to over 20,000+ prescription drugs in the few short months before bringing out a vaccine that is completely new technology that is still in trials until 2023.
4) The govt. and the expert advisors admit that those who are double/triple vaxt can still catch and spread the virus and that boosters several times a year will be needed either for many years to come, or even for life!?!?! I remember at the beginning when the two shots were suppose to make you immune.
Do people still have two or three boosters each year from their childhood vaccines, or did the intial 1 or 2 work?
Why does everyone believe every word that comes out of the Govt. when we always say that politicians lie through their teeth? It's time to get curious as it doesn't always 'kill the cat'.

For all those berating the health care staff who are making an informed choice about what they put into their bodies please read the following articles from what I would consider to be trusted organisations - www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-067570
Many people, contrary to popular opinion, have done their research and made a decision based on their individual circumstances. There are also hundreds and thousands of people who have had adverse reactions and side effects from this vaccine so they have not gone on to have second or third doses. If you have been lucky enough not to experience any of this you would not have had any reason to research it but the information is there if you look for it, and obviously not publicised as it may put people off having it. In my view where there is risk there should be choice. Many of those who have experienced side effects (many of them serious) are obviously not anti vaxxers otherwise they wouldn't have gone for it in the first place. The only people I know lately who have had covid (and there are many) are those who went to get their booster a short time before. So many unknowns with this still, and very sad to see how it divides people.

I understood it that the normal progres for trialing vaccines is in stages one following another, this takes time, but because of the extreme urgency for this vaccine all of the trial stages took place at the same time, therefore allowing the vaccine to be produced in a much speedier fashion, but that all the necessary trials were passed nonetheless, therefore the speed of production is not something to be overly concerned about. Regarding unvaccinated staff… of course all staff could possibly pass on Covid , however unvaccinated staff would most likely have a much higher viral load and therefore would be more of a danger to patients, correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Sago

It’s a new vaccine!
We don’t know what the outcome maybe.
Drugs that doctors and nurses administer are tried tested.

Sago, yet another totally ill educated answer which is wholly incorrect. It is comments like this which completely derails the miracle speed, knowledge and expertise which immunologists in this country and around the world have carried out in order to get the vaccines out as quickly as they did. Whilst you were sitting on your bottom, they were working flat out, 24/7 for months. Have more respect and gratitude please. Are you by any chance an anti vaxer?? Shame on you if this is the case!

Susysue

Sago

It’s a new vaccine!
We don’t know what the outcome maybe.
Drugs that doctors and nurses administer are tried tested.

Sago, yet another totally ill educated answer which is wholly incorrect. It is comments like this which completely derails the miracle speed, knowledge and expertise which immunologists in this country and around the world have carried out in order to get the vaccines out as quickly as they did. Whilst you were sitting on your bottom, they were working flat out, 24/7 for months. Have more respect and gratitude please. Are you by any chance an anti vaxer?? Shame on you if this is the case!

Spot on Susysue A lot of the spadework for these vaccines were started back in the 90's when HIV raised it's ugly head. It has been decades in development and tweaked by the brilliant scientists we are fortunate to have, helping to save our lives. It suits those like Sago who think some 3rd rate doctor scribbled the formula down on the back of a fag packet to believe the anti-vax rubbish.

There are people out there who just do not like being told what to do no matter what that may be. The NH S staff know the terms and conditions of their employment. If they don't like them well they have a choice, leave them to it.

Pharma companies have made billions and as reported on GB News Wed 19th Jan over 400 billion was spent in the fight against covid one way or another just in the UK! and not spent wisely either.

Pfizer said it can bring out a vaccine against Omicron in March, why when most of us will have had it by then, some of us without even knowing. More billions?

Read all the virologist reports on youtube [they have to post there because the governments' narrative is not what they are backing ]before you say that this is a tried and tested vaccine. It is not a vaccine as we have known vaccines to be in the past and what use really is a vaccine that wears off after four weeks? when natural immunity gives a much longer protection for you and others....

No the NHS staff do not have a choice and did not sign up to give away their freedom of choice - when has this ever been in their terms and conditions what a stupid thing for anyone to say. As for saying that they are not doing as they are told, what are they five year olds? and who are we to tell anyone what to do with their own lives. Get a grip and find some compassion and empathy instead of wrath, anger and pointless vitriol.....

will not be coming to this thread again but thank you for those who have shown support and empathy for our poor overworked NHS staff vaccinated or not

Anybody who says they won’t return to a thread loses any credibility they may have otherwise had immediately topcat223.

Spot on Susysue
Sarnia
Whether or not Susysue is correct or not is irrelevant as her post is extremely rude towards Sago and probably should be reported as an attack on another poster.

I won't as I think it should be left for all to see.

Callistemon21 Thank you, I have just seen the very rude posts!

Firstly I didn’t spend the lockdown sitting on my bottom nor am I “ anti vax “ or ill educated.

I am sorry for all the NHS and care staff who have exercised their right not to have the vaccines.
It is their prerogative.
I’m sure it is nowhere in their contracts that they must have these vaccines.

As I said in a previous post this is an experimental vaccine.
I have cut and pasted below an excerpt from my previous post;

Sago Wed 19-Jan-22 10:16:30
Pfizer and AstraZeneca - the pharmaceutical commercial partner behind the Oxford vaccine - have both been granted protection from future product liability claims related to their Covid-19 vaccines. It means patients cannot sue for damages.

Speaking to Reuters about the agreement in July, Ruud Dobber, a member of Astra’s senior executive team, said: “This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects.

“In the contracts we have in place, we are asking for indemnification.

"For most countries it is acceptable to take that risk on their shoulders because it is in their national interest.”

This indemnification is because the vaccine has not gone through the rigorous testing we have become accustomed to!

I fail to understand literally anyone who is too stupid to have the vaccinations and are then surprised that they are not allowed to infect vulnerable patients - the NHS will be better off after a clear out of this dead wood

It's absolutely amazing how any thread that mentions covid, even when it's not intended as a discussion about the virus, ends up being hijacked by people who just want to rant about what's happened after their vaccinations.

I started this thread to find out what people think about medical staff losing their jobs and whether they'll be eligible for unemployment benefits, it wasn't intended to be a general covid rant thread!!!

A scenario - There is only one brain surgeon in the country. A Patient requires immediate brain surgery. They say I am vaccinated and asks the brain surgeon if they are. The surgeon says no. The patient refuses the surgery and leaves. I say the patient clearly does have a brain problem and the surgeon would be highly likely to fix the one showing up on a scan but would not be able to fix the other one.

@Effalump

I thought, if you were sacked, you could still get benefits. Walking out meant you couldn't.

An employer will sack you if you do something that's not allowed or for not doing something that is required, in this case, staff not having legally required vaccinations would be considered a sackable offense.

If you commit a sakhalin offense, you are considered to have made yourself unemployed in exactly the same way as if you chose to walk out of a job without another line up to do to.

I hope this clarifies my point for you.

Flipping predictive text. I'll repeat my second paragraph with the correct words....

If you commit a sackable offense, you are considered to have made yourself unemployed in exactly the same way as if you choose to walk out of a job without another lined up to go to.

Sago - a huge lack of logical thought on your part - example:

'you are at greater risk of complications if you have the virus in your system'

So - there's a risk of blood clots with Covid - and with the vaccine - yet you assign 'complications' to the vaccine - rather than Covid - very strange thinking!