Im going to put it out there - I have the upmost sympathy for Prince Harry.

Luckygirl3

*Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into?* - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

The difference? All named are not making tv interviews or writing books slagging of the family they were born into.

I think it's telling that MM has cut important people out of her life. Only her mother at the wedding?
Reading between the lines it seems she used to have a good relationship with her father when she was younger and wasn't it him that helped open doors to her acting career?
But now she doesn't want to know him.
She is obviously the type of person who thinks nothing of going No Contact with family members.
She has brainwashed Harry into doing the same.
He isn't the sharpest tool in the box and is probably easily manipulated.
Hopefully he will come to his senses one day.
But I doubt it. He's clearly besotted with her and will do anything.

I dread to think whats in his book.

Janamax

What did she 'take'? I genuinely want to know because from what I have seen, she married the man she loved and in return got a lot of toxic, jealous hate thrown at her from a spiteful and vindictive UK press. No wonder they both fled this country. I would have done the same if I were in their shoes.

allegedly.

I only ever read good things about her.
Where are all these so-called toxic words and hate you speak of?

I also have 100% understanding and sympathy for people with mental health problems, whether it is Prince Harry or a member of my family but I do not think appalling behaviour can be tolerated because of those problems. A member of my family set out with a knife to kill her mother in law. Was she stopped? Absolutely. Was she closely supervised and treated for years? Yes. It was an awful time for the rest of the family. It’s an awful time for Harry’s family. Mentally unstable people often attack their family, through their speech or actions. That doesn’t make it acceptable, it means the person needs long term professional help. Therefore other people shouldn’t be applauding and condoning his behaviour, they should be seriously concerned that he is so unhinged and in need of treatment.

maddyone

Luckygirl3

Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into? - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

What is different is that the media chose to present H & M as a fairy-tale couple, and then turned on them with vicious articles when they did not obey the family rules and chose to live a different sort of life. Thus they became a target for the loonies.

If any of those listed above were in that situation then they too would need protection.

maddyone

Luckygirl3

Because he has no other protection and he needs it because of the family he was born into? - the most important point. He did not choose to be born into this family.

Nor did Princess Anne, Prince Edward, Lady Louise and her brother James, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, Zara Tindall, Peter Phillips, The Duke of Kent (the Queen’s cousin who still does a few royal duties) and others who I haven’t named who were all born into the royal family.
What exactly is different about Prince Harry than all these other members of the royal family who do not receive security?

He doesn't have security either maddyone (although his military service might be considered as putting him more at risk) he pays for his own in the US. But criticism was made that he had not visited Sentebale in Africa. I pointed out that security in Africa was a completely different matter and it might be too expensive (not to mention him being refused access to information about terrorist activity), but his family could undoubtedly help if they wanted to. It's nothing to do with his every day life just that particular accusation.

So your family can treat you and those you love appallingly but if you shout out about what they have done YOU have the problem. Golly talk about victim blaming!

Gsm I only wish it was that simple. Unfortunately, it isn't believe me.

I find it ironic and massively hypocritical that M&H continue to be a whipping boy for many on GN despite Charles horrific behaviour in the past, and also the abuse perpetrated by PA.

But no, let's rant on as infinitum about the Americanised prince.???

GagaJo

I find it ironic and massively hypocritical that M&H continue to be a whipping boy for many on GN despite Charles horrific behaviour in the past, and also the abuse perpetrated by PA.

But no, let's rant on as infinitum about the Americanised prince.???

What horrific behaviour?

I thought that posters were saying that Harry has mental health issues, not the rest of his family.

Perhaps I have a different view, but I don’t think Harry was treated appallingly by his family. I don’t think there’s much evidence of that but there is rather a lot of evidence of how Harry was indulged by his family.

It seems to me that those posters who are unquestionably supportive of Harry’s actions are the very same posters who have often said they would prefer a republic. If that is the case, then of course the royal family will be maligned because in order to dispose of it, it must be seen as guilty. Therefore also, a member of the family who criticises it would be welcomed wholeheartedly as that person provides ‘evidence’ of its dreadful toxicity.

True Maddyone - my enemy’s enemy....etc

maddyone

I thought that posters were saying that Harry has mental health issues, not the rest of his family.

Perhaps I have a different view, but I don’t think Harry was treated appallingly by his family. I don’t think there’s much evidence of that but there is rather a lot of evidence of how Harry was indulged by his family.

It seems to me that those posters who are unquestionably supportive of Harry’s actions are the very same posters who have often said they would prefer a republic. If that is the case, then of course the royal family will be maligned because in order to dispose of it, it must be seen as guilty. Therefore also, a member of the family who criticises it would be welcomed wholeheartedly as that person provides ‘evidence’ of its dreadful toxicity.

And if you support a monarchy that family has to be seen as special and faultless otherwise you look a bit of an idiot for supporting a bunch of sex offenders, racists, liars and cheats.

That’s a bit rude isn’t it trisher? Well actually I have come to the conclusion, after years of sitting on the fence, that despite the disadvantages of a republic, that on balance, it really is the way to go. I think the royal family are outdated and undemocratic, and not ideal as we move into the future.
However, I can spot bad behaviour when I see it, and this most certainly includes Prince Andrew, who I think is a despicable human being. I’m very concerned about the cash for honours story that’s in the news at the moment, and it is my opinion that the Queen should have retired years ago like other people do. None of this though, excuses Harry’s behaviour in my opinion.
Incidentally, I would appreciate it if you don’t say I look like an idiot because I most certainly am not, and I think it rather rude.

I could also write reams about my dislike of the HofLs, honours in general, and the way royals are treated a bit like Demi Gods, but this thread is about Harry, so best to restrict it to that.

over and over and over again..... repetative comments ......

at least harry and andrew keep gransnet going as there doesn't seem to be much else.

maddyone it's a bit disingenuous to criticise those having republican views and slate them for "maligning" the RF because we want to get rid of them and then complain about my saying if you support a bunch of racist,sex offenders, liars and cheats you look like an idiot. My republican views have absolutely nothing to do with how they behave. Even if you do consider the monarchy to be essential can you really approve of this lot?
Prince Philip was racist
Prince Andrew is a sex offender and lied
Charles lied and cheated and is embroiled in a cash for honours debacle.
To have one miscreant in a family might be forgiven to have so many looks like a pattern.
How on earth that ties in with labelling Harry as the bad one I don't understand. If the family is toxic leaving it is absolutely the right thing to do. Telling other people about it is quite understandable and may help recovery.
And sorry supporting this lot does make anyone (and not particularly you) look like an idiot to me. They may not be an idiot but they certainly look like one.

trusha there was no criticism of his failure to visit Africa. None at all. You are making that up to suit your own agenda.

Nobody would think a visit to Africa was wise in the past two years. However as many of us know it is easy now to maintain contact anywhere in the world.

Even in Africa. It’s hard to believe that in the 21st Century you could make a comment like how did people in Africa know2hat was going on in Colorado. Seriously?

I expect it came through on the jungle drums??????

trisha.

Hear, hear trisher. Chopped logic to praise one dodgy side of the family while castigating the other side.

You mean like the poster who said nobody knows what goes on and then talked about what she thought goes on.

Or saying you can’t trust the media and then pointing out publications that support your own view.

Chip, chop.?

Sorry but you said I suppose I feel indignant about it because my contacts are in Africa. They were so excited when the charity was set up and with Harry’s very involved, personal approach.
Well to my mind a personal approach necessitates personal contact. But if that wasn't what you meant I apologise.

I think questioning my asking how your friends in Africa knew the precise details of what went on in Colarado is no more unreasonable than your assertion that I depended on dodgy media sources for my information. I judged by the photographs and what I know about celebrity visits, that they are very organised and formal.
Harry handed over the running of Sentebale some time ago. I think given his new family commitments, the global pandemic and his joint project with Meghan- Archewell he could be forgiven for not being constantly in touch

Yup, that was his decision to put his own life first.

I still think continuing to take an interest in the charity he co-founded would have been a good thing, for him and the charity.

Perhaps given him some purpose and satisfaction. He was valued there.

Peasblossom

Yup, that was his decision to put his own life first.

I still think continuing to take an interest in the charity he co-founded would have been a good thing, for him and the charity.

Perhaps given him some purpose and satisfaction. He was valued there.

Check out the Archewell site for all the things he is now involved in Peasblossom Things change people move on. Although perhaps raising $2million at a polo match actually helped as well