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Do we need the monarchy in this day and and age?

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maddyone Wed 23-Feb-22 11:48:54

Okay, it was suggested on a different thread that a new thread should be started about this, so here goes.
So do we need a monarchy today? That’s it really.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 16:02:15

Yes Jaffacake2, you are so right! That person should immediately be put out of work and the Queen should sort her own shoes. Likewise the person who arranges teddies, whether for a prince or on the shelves of a toy store. Absolutely ridiculous to pay someone to do that. Same as paying someone to do your housework or your ironing. Jobs like that should be done by the shoe, teddy or house owner.

trisher Mon 28-Feb-22 16:52:34

Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!
Some of them would expect a servant to warm the bed as well!!!

Jaffacake2 Mon 28-Feb-22 17:06:46

trisher

^Also in the fairy tale would be the Prince who insisted that a servant arranged his 60 teddy bears in the correct places on a bed !!^
Some of them would expect a servant to warm the bed as well!!!

I really do wonder how many more fickle activities royal servants have in their job roles ?

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 17:10:50

It's not the same Mollygo.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 19:00:29

Nadateturbe It’s paid work. You pay for what you want doing. I’ve already read about “what can I ask them to do?” on a thread about getting a cleaner.
You can’t just say oh well because it’s the RF they’re not entitled to pay employees for doing what they ask.
It certainly doesn’t work that way in any other job. You take the job with the conditions of employment and you do it and you get paid. Teaching and some other jobs even have ‘and any other hours necessary to do the job’ clauses.

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 20:23:02

No intention of getting into a stupid debate. We all know it's ridiculous.

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 21:01:03

Where have I seen that ‘no debate’ used before? It’s usually a way of saying you know you’re wrong and that’s fine by me.

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 21:49:21

I repeat "We all know it's ridiculous" (referring to your comment of 16.02)

No intention of discussing something so obvious. And I actually said stupid debate.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 28-Feb-22 22:28:35

Really ? We all know it’s ridiculous? I don’t think so,

Mollygo Mon 28-Feb-22 23:11:05

Nadateturbe, Saying ‘stupid debate’ doesn’t stop your ‘no debate’ declaration.
If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.
Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.

Callistemon21 Mon 28-Feb-22 23:22:10

If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.

One GN poster said that her cleaner sometimes cleaned her oven.
Give me half a dozen pairs of plain black court shoes to clean any day! Especially if I got paid for it.

I'd quite like the teddy job, though. I wonder if all the teddies have names.

nadateturbe Mon 28-Feb-22 23:46:05

If you say so ?

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 00:02:39

Oh I do ??

nadateturbe Tue 01-Mar-22 06:35:55

Germanshepherdsmum

Really ? We all know it’s ridiculous? I don’t think so,

There's not one of you who would not think it strange if a friend said "I'm tired of hurting my feet by wearing new shoes in. So I've employed someone to do it for me."
Fact.

Petera Tue 01-Mar-22 08:18:18

Mollygo

Nadateturbe, Saying ‘stupid debate’ doesn’t stop your ‘no debate’ declaration.
If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
If HM pays someone to look after her shoes and the employee agrees to do it, that’s just as valid as a GN poster asking a cleaner to wipe the skirting boards.
Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.

If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.

Really? So if children being brought up in poverty go up chimneys? Paid organ donation? Sex work? I'm sure you don't mean that - you must have a line somewhere, it's just in a different place from many other peoples's.

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 08:26:15

Gosh N, you are clutching at straws now.
I would think it very strange to ask a friend, but if I employed someone to do that and they agreed, it’s no different from saying please clean my toilet, and I wouldn’t ask a friend to do that either.
I wouldn’t ask a friend to wipe my backside, but I was grateful to the nurse that did that for me as part of her job. I suppose you’d refuse to let that happen.

nadateturbe Tue 01-Mar-22 08:59:20

I think sometimes GNetters just like to argue.

Totally irrelevant comments re nurse Mollygo.

If you pay someone to do a job and they agree to do it, it doesn’t matter who you are, or how trivial (not fickle) the task is.
Really?

Also you are too old to believe that “if I say this three times it must be true” so no need to say it’s ridiculous again.
I do know if you say something on GN 100 times that is true many will still argue that it isn't true.
Ridiculous!

It's a lovely sunny day, better things to do.

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 09:23:45

But you still go on N. Read the nurse, I was simply putting an example on that you might find easier to understand.

Grany Tue 01-Mar-22 09:25:30

Prince Michael of Kent accused of selling Kremlin access

May 2021: THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION !

( reader, there was no investigation)
( reader, royal family members don't get investigated)
(reader that's because of idiotic deference)
(reader, they are a weapon against us)
(reader Retweet )

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57042823

Grany Tue 01-Mar-22 09:38:16

Five days into the biggest European war since 1945 and we've heard nothing from Britain's head of state, or from Charles. From William just a brief "we stand with #Ukraine." Let's put to bed this idea that the royals serve any useful purpose, or speak for or unite the nation.

William is busy in the Carribbean trying to shore up the monarchy. Edward and family are skiing. I suspect Princes Michael and Charles are keeping a very low profile for obvious reasons.

"We don't get involved in politics"
Nor do the donate to, volunteer, feed, shelter or aid people in need.
so basically they just dress up stand on a balcony cut some ribbons wave and leech off society.

How do you have a huge platform but have no opinion about ANYTHING???

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 01-Mar-22 09:42:33

I have no doubt that HM has been in touch with the Ukrainian PM Grany.
This isn’t a war in Europe btw. And the UK is only involved via its membership of NATO. It would not be appropriate for the Queen to make a public statement - it would only serve to provoke Putin further.

Grany Tue 01-Mar-22 10:34:09

Grany

Prince Michael of Kent accused of selling Kremlin access

May 2021: THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION !

( reader, there was no investigation)
( reader, royal family members don't get investigated)
(reader that's because of idiotic deference)
(reader, they are a weapon against us)
(reader Retweet )

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57042823

This needs to be investigated

trisher Tue 01-Mar-22 11:33:19

This isn’t a war in Europe btw. And the UK is only involved via its membership of NATO.
No doubt much the same reasoning was used when the Germans annexed part of Czeckoslovakia. Of course they then marched into Poland and guess what ??? It was a war in Europe after all!

Petera Tue 01-Mar-22 11:38:15

It dosn't really matter where the war is, but this is more-or -less the standard defintion of Europe:

a continent of the northern hemisphere, separated from Africa to the south by the Mediterranean Sea and from Asia to the east roughly by the Bosporus, the Caucasus Mountains, and the Ural Mountains. Europe contains approximately 20 per cent of the world's population.

So actually containing large parts of Western Russia. There has never been any doubt that Ukraine is part of Eastern Europe.

DaisyAnne Tue 01-Mar-22 11:56:00

Germanshepherdsmum

I have no doubt that HM has been in touch with the Ukrainian PM Grany.
This isn’t a war in Europe btw. And the UK is only involved via its membership of NATO. It would not be appropriate for the Queen to make a public statement - it would only serve to provoke Putin further.

I'm not sure why you say this isn't a war in Europe. Before it started even Johnson said Russia was planning "the biggest war in Europe since 1945".