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grannydarkhair Tue 08-Mar-22 20:51:16

Today is International Women’s Day. So who do you think the Vagina Museum (the world’s first bricks and mortar museum dedicated to the gynaecological anatomy) chose to celebrate? Trans women. And instantly closed their Twitter feed to comments. I wonder why?

Galaxy Thu 10-Mar-22 12:20:41

Crikey goosebumps were awful in my view, than goodness JKR saved him from that doodle.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:21:09

I'm not at all bitter I simply like people to be honest about their origins and not try to pretend they are something they're not.
In what way?
Her early life, school etc as she tells it is well-documented, if some have exaggerated or misunderstood that is what happens.

She has never said that she led a poverty-stricken, deprived childhood.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:22:24

Iam64

Doodledog, I read your post which was much clearer and well constructed than mine. My excuse, I’m in bed, taking antibiotics though I can garble even when on top form. I’m curious about the 7 archetypes. A favourite is the orphan hero, which Harry Potter fits beautifully

If only Dickens had thought of a broomstick!
Oliver Twist could have been even more popular.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:23:00

ps I hope you feel better soon Iam64

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:24:08

Mollygo

I do admit to an absolute bias because JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch. I loved The Worst Witch and all Jill Murphy's books. Now that is really funny, well done trisher.

I thought I'd read The Worst Witch again with youngest DGD but even the sellotape which held it together had given up!

Doodledog Thu 10-Mar-22 12:25:04

Get well soon, Iam. The Seven Basic Plots by Christopher Booker is a really good read, but it is very thick, so not for the easily daunted grin. His examples are relevant and still up to date, unlike the earlier texts I mentioned which were written a while ago. Actually, it's perfect recuperation reading. If you can send Mr Iam out to get hold of a copy it might take your mind off your woes. I think most libraries will stock it.

Molly - well spotted! It's a pain when people of one sex are transmogrified into the other to the detriment of women and girls, isn't it?

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:28:22

Mollygo

I do admit to an absolute bias because JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch. I loved The Worst Witch and all Jill Murphy's books. Now that is really funny, well done trisher.

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snowberryZ Thu 10-Mar-22 12:30:05

"A eally beautiful moment to celebrate how the medical community can create a vagina for someone in the same way they can build or rebuild any other missing or lost appendage."

Violetsky, ate you at all aware that the majority of yranswomen these days don't bother to 'create a vagina'?' as you put it.
They nearly all keep their penises.
They take hormones to mimic breast and soft skin, but they most definitely hang on to their male appendages.
Therefore they are most definitely not women.
They are Transwomen
Thinking you are a woman doesn't make you a woman.
It's not to say they shouldn't be treated with respect and kindness but the level of ignorance surrounding this is astounding.
I suggest you study up on your biology.

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 12:40:24

Callistemon21

^I'm not at all bitter I simply like people to be honest about their origins and not try to pretend they are something they're not.^
In what way?
Her early life, school etc as she tells it is well-documented, if some have exaggerated or misunderstood that is what happens.

She has never said that she led a poverty-stricken, deprived childhood.

Maybe I just knew too many single mums who hadn't the support she had and I didn't like the way she was presented. Maybe it isn't her fault. But she still pinched The Worst Witch and made more than Jill Murphy ever did. The fact that Murphy died last year probably brought it home again. I 'd started just to ignore JK but that brought it back.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:50:21

Middle class women are single parents as well. They also feel lonely, hard up, looked down on, isolated and excluded. Adding class consciousness to clear dislike and disapproval of JKR’s lifestyle, success and support for women takes it to another level.
What price the sisterhood ?

Galaxy Thu 10-Mar-22 12:52:39

Especially if they are escaping an abusive man.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:53:31

Thanks for the get well messages. Being off my feet it meaning too much time here
Off to read a murder mystery, not too challenging

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:54:55

Yes Galaxy, I should have made that clear. I could name three top professional women I know with public profiles who struggled to escape abuse

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:57:35

But she still pinched The Worst Witch and made more than Jill Murphy ever did. The fact that Murphy died last year probably brought it home again. I 'd started just to ignore JK but that brought it back.
If it was clear plagiarism then Jill Murphy should have sued.

How ironic, though, that you say JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch and you dislike the fact that girls' safe spaces, sorry broomsticks, were taken over by boys.

However, Jill Murphy's books were all female but at least JKR included Hermione!

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 12:58:50

Hermoine, how would Ron and Harry manage without her

Galaxy Thu 10-Mar-22 12:59:24

And that is in in my view partly why JKR gets such abuse, same with Rosie Duffield, they see it as weakness and pounce. More fool them.

Copper3 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:02:28

Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!

Elegran Thu 10-Mar-22 13:03:31

Why disbelieve JKR about her struggles? I think I may have bought a used knitting machine from her at about the time when she says she was writing in a cafe because it was cheaper than heating her home.

The woman I bought it from certainly resembled later photos of her. She lived in a crummy rented basement flat with her young daughter. In the middle of the living-room was a chunky vertical beam, holding up the ceiling, which was scorched from a fire in the flat above. An elderly woman had lived there. I have a feeling that the knitting machine had been salvaged from the fire and given to the seller by that elderly woman - it hadn't been used for a long time, and she didn't appear to be very familiar with it, but was selling it to get some cash.

If this woman later claimed to be have been raising a child in very straitened financial circumstances, I would believe her. Sitting in a relative's cafe nursing a cooling cup of coffee to save on heating (and lighting) costs would have been a good move. Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:05:26

Iam64

Hermoine, how would Ron and Harry manage without her

Hermione saves the day!!

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:06:42

Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.
The criticism is ironic!

Chewbacca Thu 10-Mar-22 13:31:30

Literary criticism of JKR's writing is totally irrelevant to her opinions on transwomen.

But it's interesting to see it unfolding; young, impoverished, abused woman writes several best selling novels and becomes a national literary hero and is recognised for her generous donations to humanitarian causes. She makes one initial statement pointing out the biological fact that humans cannot change sex. BOOM! She's an arch enemy of the transgender community, she's transphobic, she deserves to die along with her family, she, and all she stands for should be cancelled. And the latest insult..... She's a crap author anyway and is guilty of plagiarism of other writers.

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them

Callistemon21 Thu 10-Mar-22 13:43:12

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them

The worrying thing is that her detractors are never, ever wrong and completely unable to even consider that someone else's point of view might be valid or have some merit.

Such intransigent extremism is quite frightening in its intensity and malevolence.

Doodledog Thu 10-Mar-22 13:56:03

This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them.

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 13:59:12

Copper3

Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!

A friend of mine had hers removed at 29 because of cervical cancer. My mother had hers removed at 26 are you suggesting once they hadn't a womb they were no longer women?

trisher Thu 10-Mar-22 14:05:32

Doodledog

*This leads me to believe that JKR is hitting all the right nerves, in all the right places. When her detractors have nothing left to assault her with, they turn to her professional successes. I pity them.*

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.

I've been picking holes in JKR since Harry Potter was first published her stance on trans issues has absolutely nothing to do with my criticism of her. Though it is interesting that apparently no one is now permitted to say anything negative about her.