Vagina Museum

Her gender/sex, with or without womb, would depend entirely on her gametes trisher. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

Chewbacca, Callistemon21, Doodledog, ❤️

Yes, casting doubt on professional ability and picking holes in their account of lived experience is below the belt, isn't it? It does suggest that the detractors have run out of cogent arguments.
Let’s not beat about the bush! It doesn’t just suggest . . . It demonstrates clearly.

Could someone please remind me why it's unacceptable to state a biological fact?

A Tory police and crime commissioner has been reprimanded for sharing a JK Rowling tweet in support of women’s rights.

A male-dominated panel of councillors found Lisa Townsend had not been ‘dignified or respectful’ to trans people when she supported the best-selling author’s view that biologically male rapists were not female.

They said the Surrey PCC had broken the code of conduct for her office and demanded she explain herself to the three men who had reported her over the tweet – one of whom is local Conservative MP Crispin Blunt.

Mrs Townsend, who has received anonymous death threats, said last night: ‘These three men who complained, and a panel full of men who investigated it, have decided they must police a woman’s language about an issue of great concern to many women."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10595897/Tory-police-chief-reprimanded-sharing-JK-Rowling-trans-tweet-three-men-complained.html

I could respond but it would be deleted.

trisher

I think you're muddying the issue with mention of Harry Potter, The Worst Witch and plagiarism.

I've noticed several instances of plagiarism and perhaps it deserves a separate thread

Apart from the fact that a male took on the original female role of witch on a broomstick, I can't see that it is relevant.

I read that article this morning chewbacca. Thanks for posting it
WTF is happening
We also had Annelise Dodds unable to tell Emma Barnett what a woman is, on woman’s hour, on international women’s day. It depends on the context - evidently

Witches are popular subjects for books.

And - there are only seven main stories/archetypes

Iam64

And - there are only seven main stories/archetypes

At the risk of continuing to divert the thread from its topic, here is a list of the chapters of Booker's book, which show how many literary works have the same basic plots in common

I did say it was a thick book .

Chewbacca

Her gender/sex, with or without womb, would depend entirely on her gametes trisher. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

I wasn't the one who posted Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!
According to that my mum became a transwoman in 1948

Was she born with one? I assume so, as she had you, which is something your father couldn't have done.

Picking on people for making a slip, which is all that was, is petty.

According to that my mum became a transwoman in 1948

So long as she was happy that's all that matters surely?

Doodle dog, the archetypes and 7 basic story lines is endlessly fascinating. When our children were teenagers we did eurocamp with a group of fruends. Happy days, they’d be off feeling free but very safe on the well run sites. The adults would sit round drinking wine and talking. We had tw

Whoops fat fingers
We had writers in our group. Two of our group were well read on the seven story/myths/legends. Great that trans led to Harry Potter led to reminding us the rich history of literature

Iam64 I'm agog watching the political parties tie themselves in knots trying to appear terribly knowledgeable about the gender issue whilst, at the same time, desperately trying to avoid the landmines of being accused of being transphobic if they make the slightest slip up. Kier Starmer desperately trying to convince us that "not just women have a cervix". Annelise Dodds crippling herself with anxiety in trying not to describe woman as an adult human female.

Suzanne Moore has written an excellent article in the Telegraph When Did Woman Become the Hardest Word to Define? As she says on Twitter "If a politician can't give a clear answer when asked on BBC Radio 4 Woman's Hour, it's evident that there's a problem"

trisher

Chewbacca

Her gender/sex, with or without womb, would depend entirely on her gametes trisher. I'm surprised that you didn't know that.

I wasn't the one who posted Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!
According to that my mum became a transwoman in 1948

The middle statement is 100% correct or are you disputing that too?

As you know full well what the poster means it is quite unnecessary to try and point score. That tired argument has been debunked so many times, along with the once a woman has her menopause is she no longer a woman? For the avoidance of doubt a woman could lose every one of her unique sex markers ie uterus, cervix, ovaries, vagina and vulva and she would still be a woman, not a transwoman or a man.

For the avoidance of doubt a woman could lose every one of her unique sex markers ie uterus, cervix, ovaries, vagina and vulva and she would still be a woman, not a transwoman or a man.

Excellent.

trisher

Copper3

Women have wombs.
Transwomen do not! No offense, but fact!

A friend of mine had hers removed at 29 because of cervical cancer. My mother had hers removed at 26 are you suggesting once they hadn't a womb they were no longer women?

No, no that’s a fallacious argument.

Akin to

Dogs have tails.
Apes do not have tails.
Therefore dogs are apes.

No logic or intelligence applied there.

Or even -
Dogs have tails.
Some dogs' tails are docked.
If its tail is docked, it is no longer a dog.

I know trisher probably won’t answer this, so I’m asking, does anyone think she really believes that if she or anyone else was unfortunate enough to need their female parts removed they would stop being a woman?
What a blow that would be if she were to say that to those I know who have needed a hysterectomy.

No! I believe that's what's called a straw man argument!

Elegran, you got in before me on dogs and tails.

Of course women can have cancer that leaves them with breast/womb removed. It doesn’t mean they’re no longer women

Chewbacca

No! I believe that's what's called a straw man argument!

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We've reached the stage in the thread where we've been distracted from the topic, have spent time discussing whether or not JKR is a good writer and whether she is more of a plagiarist than any other storyteller, and have moved to seeing pointless holes picked in posts that are perfectly clear to the majority of people.

The next stage is usually either direct personal attacks, lectures on the progress of feminism through the ages or 'I've had enough of this so I'm leaving'. The thread then dies and sinks down the page, and the next time the TRAs do something to the detriment of women we do it all again.

Correct Doodledog. And don't forget the inevitable "YOU'RE ALL TRANSPHOBIC!", "Men wanting to be accepted as women is taking nothing away from you!" and "get over it, accept it, you've already lost this war" comments. Finally culminating in "Why can't you all just be kind?"

I've got better thing to do!
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