Vagina Museum

Well I wouldn't go to a vagina museum or a dick museum come to that. Better things to do.

*Callistemon21
But that was GCE Biology, valid since the world began but which may have changed recently.*
No the biology hasn’t changed, but the growth of fantasy worlds like the Flat Earth Society has increased and allowed people to spout untruths under the protection of free speech. A bit like Putin’s ‘It’s not a war’ speech.

Mollygo No the biology hasn’t changed, but the growth of fantasy worlds like the Flat Earth Society has increased and allowed people to spout untruths under the protection of free speech. A bit like Putin’s ‘It’s not a war’ speech. spot on! Except 'free speech' is only allowed to qualifying groups, most of whom have no connection with, or correlation to, scientific truth. Fantasy rules innit!

Oh my goodness JKR Twitter is just a joy to behold at the moment. She is like a bloody lion. I wonder if she knows how much she is appreciated.

Yes, Galaxy, she is our brave crusader.
Such a terrible shame that Magdalen Burns is no longer with us?

The Twatter feed between JKRowling and someone called "Vaush" is excruciating to read:

All JKRowling had to do was shut the fuck up and she could have been almost uncritically loved for like a century.

Women be quieter and start apologizing challenge

Her response:
What you and your ilk fail to appreciate is how tediously familiar I am with your tactics. I had a violent ex husband who used to tell me that life would be great if only I'd comply. But your making the same mistake that he did. Women like me can't be bullied out of resistance.

Long may she remain strong.

Yes I saw that one, scary scary man. Her tweet to Anneliese Dodds made me laugh.

Callistemon21

*trisher*!!
Not like you to give up.

I hope you haven't left altogether.
I might not always agree with you (!) but you are never personal.

I haven't "given up" Callistemon21 I have simply removed myself from a discussion which serves no useful purpose other than to give space to people who constantly post that they are not anti-trans, then proceed to blame transwomen for every sort of transgression or violation of women you can imagine. It serves no useful purpose as far as I can see other than to give them space to post their prejudices.

As for J.K. Rowling , her books were and continue to be immensely popular and she has encouraged some children to read. However I never liked the fact that she stole openly from other authors and tried to depict herself as a starving single mother (but one with very good connections) . So I view her present reinvention as the saviour of women with some suspicion.
(And I think the rest of her writing is crap and would never see the light of day never mind the silver screen but for the fact she has her own production company)

Thanks for recognising I would never make things personal. I'm sure the women who post such awful things when transpeople are mentioned are very nice really. I just don't want to engage with them.

It's sad that in this day and age women still have to fight so hard against being sidelined and silenced.

Ok trisha, so not only is JKR anti trans, she’s become successful despite lacking talent and exaggerating some aspects of her experience.
I admire her work, she’s brought huge enjoyment to so many children and adults. She understands abuse and gaslighting. She’s a survivor.

* . . . a discussion which serves no useful purpose other than to give space to people who constantly post that they are not anti-trans, then proceed to blame transwomen for every sort of transgression or violation of women you can imagine. It serves no useful purpose as far as I can see other than to give them space to post their prejudices.*
No. This thread is about the way in which the one day of the year devoted to women has ended up being about men, and the fact that this is doubly ironic because the museum concerned is devoted to the vagina - something that is the most female of organs, and one that is not possessed by men (or most transwomen for that matter). That is not a matter of prejudice but one of fact.

As for 'not getting personal' - I beg to differ, as someone who has had her professional competence questioned by you, as well as questioning the truth about my experience of events in my early marriage - both very personal and unnecessary comments. I do not want to derail the thread about this, but can't let that travesty go without comment.

Iam64

Ok trisha, so not only is JKR anti trans, she’s become successful despite lacking talent and exaggerating some aspects of her experience.
I admire her work, she’s brought huge enjoyment to so many children and adults. She understands abuse and gaslighting. She’s a survivor.

Iam64 firstly it's trisher
The Harry Potter books are masterpieces in using and developing ideas from other people's books I didn't say she hadn't talent.
I'm afraid the things she has has revealed about her private life are always questionable for me. The idea that a single mother on benefits could even afford one cup of coffee in a cafe puzzled me- of course when your brother-in-law owns the cafe things are different!!!

Trisher you sound so bitter. I feel for you.
Your posts are masterpieces in using ideas from others’ posts so I’m surprised you criticise JKR.
She talks about, for example, all the fantastic beasts that she didn’t invent and those that she did. Every author today uses ideas that exist in other books-romances, crimes, psychological thrillers. It’s what an author does with an idea that makes it great.
Is your problem with JKR that she dares to repeat the truth that only females are women?

Oh dear, trisher
That was a bit personal about J K Rowling - she is still a person even if you don't agree with her.
Yes, I do know something about her early life but not much about her circumstances after she left an abusive marriage.
I think she must have courage and strength of character to have done that.

The idea that a single mother on benefits could even afford one cup of coffee in a cafe puzzled me-

You’ll be complaining about unemployed people having flat-screen tv’s and mobile phones, next.

It's shocking, isn't it, that a single mother on benefits should linger in a warm cafe over a cup of coffee.
She should sit shivering at home because she can't afford to put the heating on.

Sorry I should know your name by now trisher.

It’s often said there are 7types of story archetypes. The Potter stories are similar to many because the archetypes are used by many authors. If we are looking at literature for youngsters, I’d at the Pullman trilogy is ‘better’ than the Rowling Potter stories. The difference is that Rowling captured children’s imagination so well.
I can’t fibs it’s in my heart to be critical, she had a marriage that failed, she experienced it as abusive, if her brother in law let her drink coffee and write in his cafe, that in no way detracts from her determination to succeed

Galaxy

Oh my goodness JKR Twitter is just a joy to behold at the moment. She is like a bloody lion. I wonder if she knows how much she is appreciated.

Couldn’t agree more. She is wonderful.

If I had no money but wanted to work in a cafe (as many writers do), and I had a family member who would sub me a cup of coffee, of course I would go there - who wouldn't? I fail to see how that casts doubt on her poverty - if anything, it adds to the veracity of her story, although why anyone would try to pick holes in the truth of someone else's experience is beyond me.

As for her writing skills, all I know is that she weaned my son off 'Goosebumps' and 'Horrible Histories', and my remembrance of the writing is that it was far better than the Enid Blyton books that I read in childhood. Children like stories and plots, and if they learn to enjoy those first, they can move on to more complex literary devices later.

Also, there is a lot of research that shows that all stories are variations on seven main ones (read Christopher Booker, Bruno Bettelheim or Marina Warner for a full exploration), so in 7 (?) lengthy story books it is inevitable that there will be some repetition of these storylines.

It's hard to believe that the number of people who vilify JKR are doing so out of a considered analysis of her writing, and not because they disagree with her belief that sex and gender are different things.

Sorry, Iam. I plagiarised your comment about the seven archetypes there.

Doodledog, I read your post which was much clearer and well constructed than mine. My excuse, I’m in bed, taking antibiotics though I can garble even when on top form. I’m curious about the 7 archetypes. A favourite is the orphan hero, which Harry Potter fits beautifully

Callistemon21

It's shocking, isn't it, that a single mother on benefits should linger in a warm cafe over a cup of coffee.
She should sit shivering at home because she can't afford to put the heating on.

Well most of the ones I knew did. Alternatively they bunged their child in a pram and walked miles to the nearest mother and baby group where they were often viewed with disdain by the middle class married mums.
I'm not at all bitter I simply like people to be honest about their origins and not try to pretend they are something they're not.
I do admit to an absolute bias because JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch. I loved The Worst Witch and all Jill Murphy's books.

I do admit to an absolute bias because JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch. I loved The Worst Witch and all Jill Murphy's books.
Yes, we loved The Worst Witch too, in fact I've just had to throw one book out because it fell to pieces from much reading.

I do acknowledge that there are a lot of similarities but somehow the HP books seemed to catch the imagination of so many, including adults although I admit that I've never read one myself.

I do admit to an absolute bias because JK Rowling pinched a lot of stuff from The Worst Witch which was about a GIRL witch and made it all about a BOY witch. I loved The Worst Witch and all Jill Murphy's books. Now that is really funny, well done trisher.

Sorry that you're unwell Iam, antibiotics can make you feel pretty awful. Hope you feel better soon.