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trisher

Check out who has a prostate prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer
Covers all people.

Covers all people? I don't think so. I checked out who has a prostate as requested. This is from your link:

Who has a prostate?
men
trans women
non-binary people who were assigned male at birth
some intersex people.

So, 'all people' in your world does not include women? Funny that.

Here's a link about the 'female prostate' - which isn't really a prostate at all, but Skene's Glands, which are named after the male gland for some reason.

Perhaps I should have added all people with a prostate.
I believe the original argument was that all prostate cancer advertising onlly mentioned men. It doesn't.
Now apparently it is also supposed to mention women. Not something I have ever claimed.
As usual on these threads those who of course aren't anti-trans and only want to support women ignore anyone who doesn't fit in with their narrow perceptions.
Like transmen, non-binary people and because of course they are evil personified transwomen.
I now fully expect them come back with "I've nothing against transwomen but....". Reminds me of all those people who used to say "I've nothing against black people but....".

Well, it might remind you of it Trisher; but that doesn’t mean that it has any truth in it.

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

FannyCornforth

Well, it might remind you of it Trisher; but that doesn’t mean that it has any truth in it.

???

Rosie51

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

A classic example of ignoring transmen (they're women who don't count) and non-binary people (don't know or care what they are). The world is wider, the possibilities more, the opportunities greater than some people can even imagine. Embrace change. Move forward.
Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do.

How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?

Well judging by the comment that "everyone has a prostate"; I'd say that a few women are struggling too.

trisher

Rosie51

It's all very reminiscent of 'women, know your place.' Men are to be obeyed and revered and even more so when they take on the mantle of transwomen. Male (usually white) privilege reigns no matter what garb it dons. I suppose that's intersectional privilege?

A classic example of ignoring transmen (they're women who don't count) and non-binary people (don't know or care what they are). The world is wider, the possibilities more, the opportunities greater than some people can even imagine. Embrace change. Move forward.
Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do.

Male white privillege hates people who are different just like you do. how dare you! You are so offensive you really can't sink much lower.
Transmen as has been explained to you many, many times pose no threat to women and girls. Can you try to retain that? Non-binary, well that probably includes virtually everyone who isn't trans, but most of us don't need a special label to indicate we're not a stereotype. Even those who label themselves non-binary have to select a sex option when going into single sex spaces, so as long as they select the one that corresponds with their biological sex, no problem. Is that clear enough?
You really do have tickets on yourself ???

FannyCornforth

How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?

Good point.
They should first be asked "Do you know what a cervix is?".

Chewbacca

^How many men know much about female anatomy anyway?^

Well judging by the comment that "everyone has a prostate"; I'd say that a few women are struggling too.

That's the point.
The average person doesn't understand this stuff and needs to be told whether it applies to female people (women) or male people (men).

Why do we not mention much about transmen trisher wonders.
Because transmen are usually no threat to anyone, except maybe themselves, unless they demand that words like 'mother' and 'breast feeding' are to be removed from the English language unless used, wrongly, for transwomen only.

I'm just catching up on this thread.
Wow, trisher, got to admire your persistence in the face of logic.

From Maya Forstater's current tribunal.
OD is a female lawyer, Olivia Faith Dobbie. How can she believe what she said - or is it just that lawyers say whatever rubbish is necessary to try to win their case?

But it's transmen who want the maternity services to use "people who give birth" the phrase that sent you all into a spin sometime ago with allegations of denying you the right to be called "mother" etc etc. Transmen were then vilified, now apparently they are OK
It seems to me that you pick and choose when to be offended about any situation.
Transwomen are no threat to anyone either. Saying they are is really unacceptable. No one group of people are a threat individuals within any group may be.

Lots of people have little knowledge about any anatomy.

Link to that Twitter thread, if you're interested:

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1501952443403227137

Men are a threat to women, statistically.
We have laws about that.
Men can easily claim to be women.
Spot the problem.

No one group are a threat. Then all men should be allowed in any spaces. I dont ghink transwomen are anymore of a threat than men with black hair or short men or men who wear red.

FarNorth

From Maya Forstater's current tribunal.
OD is a female lawyer, Olivia Faith Dobbie. How can she believe what she said - or is it just that lawyers say whatever rubbish is necessary to try to win their case?

^Being pregnant^- well women who can't have children will love that
^vulnerable to rape^- does she not know men get raped?
Who is spouting "rubbish"?

No comment about the ridiculous statement that there is no risk of rape our sexual harassment at work, then?

Obviously, Not All Women.

FarNorth

From Maya Forstater's current tribunal.
OD is a female lawyer, Olivia Faith Dobbie. How can she believe what she said - or is it just that lawyers say whatever rubbish is necessary to try to win their case?

Of course.

It’s all about winning.

No matter who loses in the process☹️

As usual on these threads those who of course aren't anti-trans and only want to support women ignore anyone who doesn't fit in with their narrow perceptions. Like transmen, non-binary people and because of course they are evil personified transwomen.
Who are you talking about here? And who is being ignored? As has been said, many think that we are all non-binary, particularly if 'gender' is defined as a matter of 'presentation' or 'identification'. We have also said that transmen, far from being 'evil personified' ?, appear less on these threads simply because they are not a threat to women, and it is only threats to women with which we are concerned. You can pretend otherwise as much as you like, but I have very rarely seen anything remotely transphobic on these threads - just concern for the rights of women and girls.

I now fully expect them come back with "I've nothing against transwomen but....". Reminds me of all those people who used to say "I've nothing against black people but....".
The devil is in your elipses, isn't it? You can't make comparisons like that and have them make any sort of sense if you don't complete the sentences. I think your expectations may be confounded if you are waiting for someone to come out with anything racist or transphobic though.

As for the 'you hate anyone who is different' nonsense - you really are losing the plot if you think that. You appear to be losing your memory, too, as all of the above has been said on this very thread.

And I would say that gender critical feminists spend an enormous amount of energy on the issues facing transmen, and detransitioners, the reviews that are going on at the moment (which will impact mainly on transmen because of the statistics) have been instigated because of pressure from on the whole those bigoted feminists.

Galaxy

No one group are a threat. Then all men should be allowed in any spaces. I dont ghink transwomen are anymore of a threat than men with black hair or short men or men who wear red.

Except that identifying as trans will get a male access to women’s spaces whereas being male with black hair or being short wont.

That argument doesn’t really hold up if you think about it.

I think if you are opening spaces to men then there is absolutely no arguement to exclude all men from them. I feel no difference towards a man who dresses in traditionally female clothes to a man wearing a suit, why on earth would I.

Exactly as Galaxy says. Why can't my decent, caring husband come into women only spaces just because he doesn't wear a dress and makeup? If you are going to let some men in, even if it is on the basis they identify as women, then it's discriminating against other men just because they don't. It's because we can't tell which are the bad few amongst the whole group that we keep the whole group out.

I should add because my husband and sons are decent, caring men, none of them would dream of accessing female only spaces.

Oh right.

I think maybe I misunderstood your post.