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Granny23 Wed 23-Mar-22 10:01:18

From today's National News Paper

"6 out of ten Scots believe the UK will not exist in its current form in 10 years’ time, according to a new poll which also puts backing for independence in the lead.

The latest survey, carried out by Ipsos, found support for Yes vote is at 50% compared to 43% for No, with 4% of voters remaining undecided.

Nearly half of people north of the Border also think the Union will not exist in five years’ time.

Across the UK overall, however, the proportion predicting the demise of the Union within the next decade has fallen slightly compared with early 2021 - from 56% to 50% in February this year.

Meanwhile, the poll also found the Scottish Government continues to attract more praise than the UK Government for its handling of the pandemic - both north of the Border and across the rest of the UK.
However, it highlighted that people in Scotland are the most pessimistic in the UK about the economic prospects in the coming months.

The Ipsos UK Knowledge panel surveyed more than 4000 people across the UK at the beginning of February,

“Scots remain more likely than those in England and Wales to say the UK will not exist in its current form for much longer,” the report said.

“As many as 61% of Scots say the UK will not exist in its current form in 10 years’ time, compared with 50% across the UK as a whole. 46% of Scots think it will not exist in 5 years’ time, compared with 33% across the UK as a whole.”
When it comes to views across the UK on whether Scotland should vote for independence, just over half of people in England and Wales say they would prefer it to stay part of the Union. However, the report notes views in Northern Ireland are less clear, with 42% saying they want Scotland to stay but 29% backing Scotland to leave the UK.

It also notes: “The Scottish Government continues to attract more praise than the UK Government for its handling of the pandemic, both among those in Scotland, and across the rest of the UK.
“Views of the Scottish Government are, unsurprisingly, most favourable in Scotland, where 59% say the Scottish Government has handled the pandemic well, compared with just 22% who say the same of the UK Government.”

The survey also found that slightly more people in England think the Scottish Government has handled the pandemic well, at 44% compared to 38%.

Across the UK, just 15% think the general economic condition of the UK will improve in the next 12 months, while 67% say it will get worse.

Expectations are even more pessimistic in Scotland, where 73% expect the UK’s economy to get worse in the next year.
“Meanwhile, although three in five Scots expect the demise of the UK within 10 years, those in England and Wales would still prefer Scotland to vote No in any second referendum.”

HolySox Tue 05-Apr-22 17:32:00

Petera the article I referred to about who should vote talked about NOT giving the vote to people born in Scotland (i.e. who I would call Scottish) but who live outside of Scotland at the time of the election - could be said if you pick the right moment in time independence can be gained. The article claims there are around 750,000 Scots living in other parts of the UK that wouod likely vote NO and that could tip the overall vote. So this is the world we live in.

Good luck to the Scots if they can get a more 'competent government' than the British government ... bearing in mind this includes the likes of Blair and Brown.

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 17:47:18

Hmm, it's a strange coincidence but I was watching the Party Political Broadcast for the SNP just last night. It was a total embarrassment and not one thing about what they were planning to do, to get this country (Scotland) out of the mess we are in. This is all I will say on the matter.

volver Tue 05-Apr-22 18:34:52

I'm watching the Conservative one right now. Their message appears to be "Vote for us - we're not the SNP!"

Also, Irvine Welsh isn't happy ?

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 18:46:09

Volver, out of curiosity have they (Conservatives) said what they are actually going to do for the country? Or are all these Party Political broadcasts just going to be them slagging each other off?

volver Tue 05-Apr-22 18:50:36

It's the local council elections. Nobody is saying what they'd do "for the country." The broadcasts are all going to be general.

Do Google the Irvine Welsh story. I'm not copying it because the language is rather ripe!

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 19:02:36

Of course Volver I was dreaming, not for the country for councils. Im a wee bit puzzled by Irvine Welsh as I thought he lived in New York? I will Google though.

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 19:06:27

I've just Googled the Irvine Welsh story. Oh dear Volver, he was always a man that spoke his mind. I can see why you didn't say much, you'd be expelled from Gransnet!

volver Tue 05-Apr-22 19:08:06

I think its fair to say he was provoked ?

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 19:11:58

Personally, I think someone in the Party was b****y brave. He's not a man I'd like to upset. Though Ive heard folk say he is a nice bloke.

volver Tue 05-Apr-22 19:31:58

Brave is one word for it.

Pepper59 Tue 05-Apr-22 19:34:52

smile

Purplepoppies Mon 25-Apr-22 11:40:04

Im English and live in Scotland.
I was here for the last independence election.
I had Scottish and English friends here voting for and against.
But I do try not to discuss politics with friends as it can become a difficult subject.
Right now I would move anywhere in the UK and vote for any party that will make good on bringing the cost of living down!!
I, like a vast majority of people in the country, am struggling to make ends meet.

pen50 Tue 26-Apr-22 11:26:36

I'm another 50% Scot (and 50% Welsh...) I sincerely hope that Scotland doesn't choose independence (nor Wales neither). Of course if it is chosen by those countries, that is their right. But I do think they are stronger in the Union, than they will be alone.

Mayjay1604 Tue 26-Apr-22 11:28:52

4000 people is not a clear position.Polls are easily manipulated to produce the desired results.

volver Tue 26-Apr-22 11:36:05

Why 4,000 is actually quite a good sample size for a population of 64 million. And why saying "that's not a lot of people" is missing the point.

www.qualtrics.com/uk/experience-management/research/determine-sample-size/

Grantanow Tue 26-Apr-22 12:06:28

I don't care whether Scotland leaves the Union or not but there would be a lot of haggling about trade and money just as with Brexit. Scotland is a small economy so they would have to work hard to offset the loss of UK tax transfers. England, a lot larger, is self-sustaining and would be even better off without Northern Ireland. Our England problem is a useless Johnson-led government and we need to get rid of them to do better and regain some of the benefits lost through Brexit.

sazz1 Tue 26-Apr-22 12:15:04

I really don't care or mind if Scotland and even Wales want independence. If the majority want it let them have it.
I don't know how they will survive keeping the benefits they have now though without funding from our government. I think free universities etc may become a thing of the past.
No offence to any Scottish people on here.

SuRu Tue 26-Apr-22 12:16:02

I'm Irish, living in England, married to a Scot. I personally believe the UK is stronger together, but obviously the will of the Scottish electorate must be honoured. But I just wonder why when Scots talk about independence, the Barnet formula is never or rarely mentioned. If the Scots are so confident they can manage on their own, why are they still being subsidised through the Barnet formula?

4allweknow Tue 26-Apr-22 12:25:20

Of course the pandemic appeared to be handled better in Scotland than the rest of UK (usually meaning England when referred to in Scotland). With a population of 5-6 million compared to some cities up and down the land surely there would be something seriously wrong if it wasn't managed well. The Scottish Government allows 16 year olds to vote yet is proposing to regard up to 24 year olds as children. Not mature enough to understand repercussion of actions but can fully understand implications on whole country when you vote. If you listen to Scottish politics there is an immense emphasis on families older people do not exist! Has the report on the Covid care home issue been done yet? No, not until after the election. No hurry, they were old. Buying votes in my opinion. The SNP would really struggle without their friends The Greens. Again buying votes.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 26-Apr-22 12:27:38

Sigh. We are not "subsidised" through the Barnett formula, SuRu. It is a way of returning the taxes we pay, just as you do, to the UK Treasury. We then have some of it returned in line with how much is being allocated to the rest of the UK for public spending. Where do you think our tax money goes? Or do you think we don't pay taxes? In fact our tax system is fairer, as those on the lowest incomes pay less income than than they would in other parts of the UK, whereas those on higher incomes pay more here.

greenlady102 Tue 26-Apr-22 12:29:03

shrug

Yammy Tue 26-Apr-22 12:31:35

Let them all have their independence, fewer subsidies for Westminster to pay. England is on its knees now, it will be able just to consider itself.
Though with Putin on the move, I would have thought better together for all, rather than apart.

volver Tue 26-Apr-22 12:34:38

I fascinated by the increasing ingenuity of people who want to tell us we're too poor, too wee, too stupid. Now its sentencing young people. grin

This old person here just recently got her free bus pass at age 60 and benefits from the free prescriptions, and this old person's parents just got their 4th Covid Jab. I think the government know we're here.

volver Tue 26-Apr-22 12:47:55

England is on its knees now, it will be able just to consider itself.

You listening, Wales? NI? grin

NoddingGanGan Tue 26-Apr-22 12:49:42

As an Englishwoman I would welcome Scottish independence. Sick of them getting so much free that we don't and the fact that they have a say in what happens in England when English MPs have no say in nothing north of the border. That's not to say I hate Scotland or Scottish people en masse, far from it, just fed up of losing out to them left, right and centre.