I will just leave this here and duck for cover

Aveline, may I ask you, do you belief all that guff that Johnson churns out?

According to The Independent, who was named as the 5th most eloquent politician in the WORLD, by a group of leadership and career experts? Was it Nicola Sturgeon or Boris Johnson?

I remember completing the poll, although we are asked not to publicise our replies. I'm not surprised Scots like their government though, no prescription cost and free University education, and no buffoons in charge. I'm 50% Scot, so feel entitled to the views I hold.

What has the UK, or Great Britain, produced most of in the word?
Independence Days!!! More than 60 so far.

I don't know about 10 years but yes, I think the Scots will beco,e independent. And that Ireland will unite. England and Wales will be left with the precious sovreignty they wanted so much.

Denmark and Norway have much smaller populations and are much richer. If you want to pay Norwegian food prices, you might get a shock. Norway has the most expensive food out of all the countries in the EU, told to me by a Norwegian. Im not getting into this independence argument. On Gransnet it continually goes around in circles and then gets nasty.

What a load of old tosh, volver

Pepper59

Denmark and Norway have much smaller populations and are much richer. If you want to pay Norwegian food prices, you might get a shock. Norway has the most expensive food out of all the countries in the EU, told to me by a Norwegian. Im not getting into this independence argument. On Gransnet it continually goes around in circles and then gets nasty.

Norway's not in the EU

Did your Norwegian contact know that?

Denmark population, 5.8 million

Norway population, 5.5 million

Scotland population, 5.4 million

I am not swayed by your arguments.

Arto1s

What a load of old tosh, volver

Any particular post of mine, or is your considered opinion that anything about Scotland is tosh unless you agree with it?

GrammarGrandma

I don't know about 10 years but yes, I think the Scots will beco,e independent. And that Ireland will unite. England and Wales will be left with the precious sovreignty they wanted so much.

Why do you think Wales will not go for independence too GrammarGrandma, I think you’ll find it isn’t wedded to ‘English and Welsh’ sovereignty, as there’s no such thing?

volver

stupid?

Oh this is going well. We love people in England telling us we're stupid.

I don’t think the Scottish people were being called stupid - just the idea of leaving the Union. Sounds a little less inflammatory that way……

Treetops by no means all Scots are happy with their government. They have made a shambles of so many vital aspects of life up here. Other Grans have already listed the evidence of their ineptitude. I'd like to say it's all in the public domain but sadly a lot is covered up or 'lost'. This is widely known.
I know volver believes that independence is possible but not with this current SNP government. Unfortunately there's no sign of any competent politicians appearing. It's all very sad.

Treetops05

I remember completing the poll, although we are asked not to publicise our replies. I'm not surprised Scots like their government though, no prescription cost and free University education, and no buffoons in charge. I'm 50% Scot, so feel entitled to the views I hold.

Everyone's entitled to their views, Scots or not. But some people come along with actual facts and figures, and some come along with centuries-old myths updated for the 21th century, about how the Scots are scroungers and can't manage without the English.

I like the folks with facts.

Maybe we could borrow some of those 'competent' politicians from Johnson's Government. Anybody fancy Nadine Dories?

I was just thinking about the "competent" politicians we've had in the Scottish government in the past. Good old Jack McConnel. I had to turn the sound down when he came on TV. Oh, and Wendy Alexander. It was all I could do to not throw things at the TV.

Expectations are even more pessimistic in Scotland, where 73% expect the UK’s economy to get worse in the next year.

maybe people in scotland are just being realistic, food prices have gone up and i think they will continue to rise, electric and gas have gone up and will rise again in october, people are already getting worried about how they will get by next winter. i know it is not just scotland but all over the uk. as for leaving the uk, i voted yes and will do again. i think the FM did a good job during the pandemic, even people who do not like the snp said the same thing.

Tudor Elizabeth 1st died without an heir. James of Scotland was her closest blood relative so inherited the throne of England. An England which already ruled Wales and Ireland. ( kind of! ). So became Great Britain, A large island of once 4 separate nations.
For this historical reason I would be disappointed to see Scotland become a separate State, again.
Yet if that is what the people want, then of course, be separate again.
I’d need know however, that Scotland can be a viable separate country.
If Scotland wants to be a separate country then it’s daft just saying or even proving that the majority of its population want this. Let them prove how it can be done financially.

OK, a few things....

The union of the crowns isn't what formed the Union we're talking about, it was the Union of the parliaments 100 years later that did that. And that is the Union that would be dissolved in the event of any vote for independence. And we'd stick with the Queen.

Scotland can be a "viable country" in the way that any other country of 5.4 million odd people can be "viable".

We don't have to prove anything financially to anybody. Especially anyone who calls us "them".

Not quite, Mallin. Great Britain is indeed a large island, but it does not contain any part of Ireland. Hence the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland as was, but now Great Britain and Northern Ireland of course.

We would start becoming 'viable' by keeping ALL of the money that currently goes to the Treasury, through our taxes. At the moment only a proportion of that money is returned to the devolved government for essential services. The Treasury keeps the remainder for essential projects like HS2, Royal Yacht and other Johnson japes.

If Putin/Aids are to be believed we will be nuked in the Autumn! Given the plight of Ukranians, could the Scots defend themselves as an independent country?

If Scotland was really not paying its way, if the Scots were a drain on public finances, then why would Westminster be so keen to keep them in the Union? Remember, this is an administration who didn't want to pay to feed hungry children. Something does not add up. Logic dictates that the Government would be only to glad to see them go. Why make such a fuss about keeping them in the Union, if they are costing so much?

At the moment, Coco51, where are the UK nuclear weapons stored?

So glad you said almost 50% #volver. She wouldn't have a majority without the Greens.

The Scottish Parliament is set up to avoid any party getting a majority. Its a form of PR. She almost managed it though. Because people vote for the SNP.