Gaudy peacocks at Prince Phillip’s memorial service

volver

^But to criticise who should do what at a funeral that isn’t in their own family and is none of their business . . .^

This isn't a funeral. Even this atheist republican knows that.

Sorry, this ‘memorial service’.
Still no one’s business except the family involved. They might have preferred it not to be televised to avoid any criticism, but fat chance of that.

I think Harry’s fears about security were completely unfounded.

All he had to do was walk with the great grandchildren and get somebody to hold his hand.

Mollygo

volver

But to criticise who should do what at a funeral that isn’t in their own family and is none of their business . . .

This isn't a funeral. Even this atheist republican knows that.

Sorry, this ‘memorial service’.
Still no one’s business except the family involved. They might have preferred it not to be televised to avoid any criticism, but fat chance of that.

No one's business except the senior politicians of the realm, the various military types in Ruritanian uniforms and the leaders of the church in their robes.

And you'd have to work really hard to convince me that they'd not want this to be televised.

I'd just like to point out, as well, that I haven't criticised anybody who has anything to do with the RF.

Urmstongran

Re Andrew.
A mother’s love and all that. Plus it was a service for his father. He is family & it’s their business.

Plus they were in Church where sinners, I believe, are welcome.

Agree totally Urmstongran it was a family occasion to remember his father.

I think the dark green clothing in evidence was a favourite of Prince Philip's.

A beautiful service, full of meaning and family supporting one and other and publicly acknowledging their love and admiration for their father, grandfather, great grandfather, cousin uncle, I could go on. The Queen showed her respect and love for her husband all through her life and yet again today.
I was glad to see Prince Andrew there. Love the sinner and not the sin (IF there was one). He is her second son. How many people come on to the estrangement threads looking for advice? Prince Andrew has officially stood down but he is still the Queen’s son. She is making a statement that fracturing the family gains nothing. As a devout Christian I am sure she believes “He who is without sin, cast the first stone”.
It was an event where all the family showed up together emphasising the importance of being a team loving one another, accepting one another’s differences of opinion but keeping an eye on the central values of family love.

I hope to watch this later.
We've been to a funeral today, I can't say I noticed what the priest was wearing, embroidered or not.
We were too busy thinking of the remarkable person who had died.

For the benefit of those who know no better, the Church of England doesn't have a lot of money. That is a common fallacy. It has quite a lot of property, but that doesn't equate to cash, much of the property is of 'heritage status' and if it was sold wouldn't be popular to buy and the money wouldn't last long. Most dioceses struggle to raise enough money to pay the clergy and parishes struggle to maintain their churches - no money comes from the central Church.

As for Prince Andrew's attendance at the service, accompanying the Queen into the Abbey was a discreet (and helpful) way of him entering without coming in by the main entrance, in full view of th epublic and cameras.

Elegran

"The Church" is a very generalised label. In the UK there are many different denominations of Chritianity, each with its own "dress code" A few wear flamboyant robes frequently, some have beautiful embroidered vestments for special occasions, some wear sombre black or clerical grey, quite a lot wear "geneva bands" with ordinary clothes, to identify them , and some can't be distinguished at all by their clothing. Plus there are congregations of other faiths, with a similar mixture of sartorial tradition. Just as in other walks of life!

The choice of clothing has nothing to do with the genuineness of their calling, and the garments themselves last an extremely long time - they are not exposed to the soup-stains and rips and tears of everyday life - so they are being renewed every few months out of the donations in the collection box.

Have you checked on how much churches are doing for the poor and the despairing, BTW? I think you'll find it passes the cost of those outfits each year by several times. Live and let live.

Very well said, Elegran. Perfect.

For the benefit of those who know no better

I find that statement rather rude and patronising Septimia. We're not Dickensian ragamuffins fighting in the street.

Septimia

For the benefit of those who know no better, the Church of England doesn't have a lot of money. That is a common fallacy. It has quite a lot of property, but that doesn't equate to cash, much of the property is of 'heritage status' and if it was sold wouldn't be popular to buy and the money wouldn't last long. Most dioceses struggle to raise enough money to pay the clergy and parishes struggle to maintain their churches - no money comes from the central Church.

As for Prince Andrew's attendance at the service, accompanying the Queen into the Abbey was a discreet (and helpful) way of him entering without coming in by the main entrance, in full view of th epublic and cameras.

Well I think £8.7billion is quite a lot
The Church of England has a large endowment of £8.7 billion which generates approximately £1 billion a year in income (2019),[1] this is their largest source of revenue. The 2019 Financial report showed that the size of the endowment has been steady or growing slightly in recent years, delivering a return of 10% (2019). In recent years, efforts have been made to make the Church's investments more ethical,[2] by divesting from major arms manufacturers and divesting all fossil fuel investments in 2020.[3] The Church of England has been criticized in the past for investments in arms dealers, unethical loan companies and companies with poor environmental records[4] – however, the Church of England is now committed to being a strong ethical investor.
The Church's Endowment fund is invested in a diversified portfolio across a broad range of asset classes. This includes a variety of equity investments in publicly listed and private companies as well as commercial/residential property and land.
I think over £300 million a year from donors is quite a lot as well.

I was quite disgusting with the OP's post too. To use that language when speaking about the church is disrespectful. I haven't seen any of the service yet as I've been working all day, but I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Disgusted

merlotgran

I think Harry’s fears about security were completely unfounded.

All he had to do was walk with the great grandchildren and get somebody to hold his hand.

Well, that’s usually his wife.

I was delighted that the Queen was well enough to attend the memorial service.
She loved her ‘strength and stay’ very much so I’m sure she would have been bitterly disappointed to have missed it
Lovely to see so many family members there too.

volver

^For the benefit of those who know no better^

I find that statement rather rude and patronising Septimia. We're not Dickensian ragamuffins fighting in the street.

Speak for yourself

Well we all know what you're like Jane

My deleted post was more within the talk guidelines that the original post and many posts on others, oh well. Maybe people don't like modern women who embroider

I liked your post. But I don't know any better

Maybe I have to consider whether I am more uncouth than the original poster. I may consider I am, which is a shame as I took the title literally and thought there were actual peacocks at Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service and wondered how that had all worked out as they can be quite territorial and the males have a hareem of hens, especially at this time of year

I was a bit disappointed

The dark green was Prince Phillip's livery colour!

Known formally as “Edinburgh Green”, it was Prince Philip’s livery colour, which was used over the years for his staff uniforms and private cars, including the modified Land Rover that carried his coffin at his funeral last Apri

Lucca

Even if we think the robes are ostentatious I don’t understand why OP is surprised as such garments have been worn for centuries. Why just suddenly notice them?

I also think the language used was very “off” .

Some of them might well be centuries old too.
Second-hand, upcycling are the trend at the moment.

Yes, very uncouth language.

I thought there were actual peacocks at Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service
When I read the OP I thought that too JaneJudge.
Then I thought Why? Peacocks can be so noisy.

*I thought there were actual peacocks at Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service
When I read the OP I thought that too JaneJudge.
Then I thought Why? Peacocks can be so noisy.*

I thought that too and that was whilst I was reading the OP. Or scanning it. I missed the uncouth language as well.

I pride myself on my speed reading but seeing as I'm missing very important words I must slow myself down.

My heart hurt when i saw our wonderful Queen close to tears.
No need for negative comments about the service or the pomp etc.

I agree, timetogo2016.

See, that really rattles my chain. To coin a phrase.

I was pleased to see the Queen who I thought was looking quite well. I was sad to see Beatrice looking so upset. And poor little George looking lost.

But sitting there watching the five trumpeters, like something out of Tudor times? And the younger women curtseying when the Queen walked past? No, that's up for debate, whatever you think of the royal family themselves.