Baby P's mother to be released

The unnatural death of a child under the care of its parent is always something to shout about.

maddyone

I don’t think people who have had children have clouded judgment per se, any more than I think people who don’t have children have clouded judgment per se. People don’t have clouded judgment, they have opinions. We may or may not agree with those opinions.

I agree.

But I do think that being a parent, whether biological or not, whilst I disagree would cloud judgement, does give people a different dimension into crimes perpetrated against helpless infants and small children.
Although most decent people feel horror and revulsion at such crimes, would find that particular protective instinct that comes with being a parent comes to the fore.

It seems that crimes against property are often treated more vigorously than those against humanity. When a crime is as vile and heinous as this one, l really do think that life should mean life and that she should never be released.

Hope she’s been sterilised.

I beg everyone's pardon. The way it was reported re the baby, was that she was his adoptive mother. It seems she had applied to adopt him and he was put in her care while she was being considered.

Kate1949

I beg everyone's pardon. The way it was reported re the baby, was that she was his adoptive mother. It seems she had applied to adopt him and he was put in her care while she was being considered.

Really?
Are you sure?

I don't think that is true.

She had four biological children, one of them being Peter. She and the father of all the children had split up and now the three other children are being cared for by their biological father .

I read the same information as Kate1949,that the little boy was the subject of care proceedings. He was placed with prospective adopters and visited regularly. The key social worker expressed concern about bonding. She anticipated the adoption wouldn’t take place

The average of two children each week dying at the hands of parents/carers has been steady over at least seventy years )so I’ve read)

Well I'm not sure now! I've just re-read it and it says 'The child was taken into care at birth and was places with this woman and her husband who hoped to adopt him, by Cumbria authorities.'

That’s correct Kate 1949

Thank you Iam. Sometimes when I read these cases, the red mist descends before I have read it properly.

Whole different baby. Whole different mother. Whole different case.

DaisyAnne you have comprehensively missed my point!! That woman is highly likely to have had a dreadful start in life and not one which she would have been intellectually particularly capable of dealing with. Publishing her photograph renders her vulnerable to the sort of people who are looking to harm harm her.
The prisons are full of people with low IQs, poor language comprehension levels and dreadful life experiences. My suspicions are that this woman fits all of these descriptions.

@volver clearly you have been very selective in your Bible reading Jesus has a lot to say about forgiveness and love

Tracey Connolly did have a terrible upbringing.
Social services were involved with the family, and that, supposedly, is how she learned the art of hòodwinking them.
She did pass a couple of GCSEs though.
I think she was streetwise as a survival mechanism, rather than on paper. (I think she went to a special needs school)

She has served longer than her tariff and has been paroled before she was then recalled to prison She has had several requests for parole refused it has now been granted She has conditions -release to a specialist facility

GrauntyHelen

@volver clearly you have been very selective in your Bible reading Jesus has a lot to say about forgiveness and love

???

No children and an atheist. Haven't read the bible for a good 50 years.

Does he say that we should kill people or cut their internal organs out? That's not how I remember it...

Don't know why I bothered with this thread at all really.

I'd have hoped we'd moved on from 'an eye for an eye' thinking. Apparently not.

Lots of us had terrible upbringings.

There's terrible and terrible! I'm sorry you had a bad time and I'm glad you managed to bring up your children safely. Not everyone does

I have not followed this case, so I don't know if what I am about to suggest is reasonable or not.

I realise that most of you will disagree violently with what I am about to say, but so be it.

Have any of you stopped to consider that this woman may, just may, have come seriously to regret what she did?

That she may realise she should never be a mother and have been sterilised or be prepared to use contraception until she is past child-bearing age?

That she might want never, ever want to have anything to do with a man again?

Most of you are assuming that she will rush off and find a man, get pregnant, have a baby and abuse it, as soon as she is out of prison. Is there any justification for believing any of all this?

I hope and trust she moves to some part of the country where no-one knows her, changes her name and her hair-style and never runs in to any of you lot.

It depends what your idea of terrible is. I think mine was pretty terrible but some might say it wasn't in comparison to some. I often hear that abuse and violence breeds abuse and violence and I'm sure in a lot of cases it does.
For me, there was no way a child of mine was going to be put through what I went through.

I think it's fair to say we all hope that, too.

Are we talking about two different children here?

I'm confused. Baby P's mother was his natural mother. She's due to be released. He died in 2007.

But yesterday there was an article about a baby who had been killed by the couple who were in the process of adopting him

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/woman-goes-on-trial-for-of-toddler-she-was-trying-to-adopt

I think you are right GrandtanteJE65.