Sick people in shops

LOUISA* You obviously haven't read my posts properly. At no point have I accused anyone of being selfish.

I do respect others choices (even if I don't agree) and as I have said, it is solely my responsibility, as I have already stated on many other threads. However equally, posters should respect my choices too.
All I ask is that people see the other side of the coin and show a little compassion and understanding of what it is like, to have this constant worry. There are some on GN, who are quite harsh with their criticism.

You have absolutely little or no knowledge of my health nor circumstances.
My DIL, an optician had to go to work during the pandemic, despite my granddaughter being CEV, I know exactly how stressful that was. My DIL was terrified of bringing Covid into the house and eventually resigned from her job. They live five minutes away and I never saw them face to face for a year.
Furthermore, I understand that your daughter didn't have that luxury. Her circumstances sound extremely difficult.

My question, However, are we to stay in our homes forever? was directed at those who think we should do just that. It was meant to be ironic. #fail.

I have already had five vaccinations and will have a sixth in August. Despite this I am still very careful, with whom I mix with and where I go. It's a matter of balance. Twice last week
I was going to be admitted to hospital, but after much deliberation, my clinicians decided I should stay a home, where I would be safer. What does that tell you?
They obviously still have concerns about Covid being around. I think I trust them, rather than those on here, who say it is no longer a worry.

LOUISA1523

My partner has had covid with no symptoms as do lots of people...you are likely far more at risk from these people than the man you talk of ....people are carrying on with their lives these days...so if you are vulnerable its down to you to protect yourself....you can't keep calling people selfish....lots have to work with covid now as they don't get paid ...they have to pick their kids up .... they have to get provisions ... we've moved on ....we all have to make our own decisions now.... very judgy OP?

Why can't people wear masks when they pick their kids up or buy groceries?

M0nica

Marydoll probably not. While I would, and do respect how someone feels, when out. But if I had any severe problems, I simply wouldn't want to to rely on anyone else doing things to protect me. I simply would not trust my self protection to anyone but myself.

But protecting each other as well as oneself is what public health is all about. It's how societies interact and survive.

If a person is HIV positive and has unprotected sex with somebody, I think most people would quite rightly blame the person with HIV, not the person who didn't insist on protection, silly as it might have been.

I have a friend who is CEV, he’s gone from shielding to the other extreme, a rock concert, unnecessary shopping and back to helping at various voluntary associations in the village. Personally, in that situation I’d not have taken such risks, but it’s his life, if he ever whinges about others or bemoans his circumstances we do have a frank discussion!

Marydoll

LOUISA* You obviously haven't read my posts properly. At no point have I accused anyone of being selfish.

I do respect others choices (even if I don't agree) and as I have said, it is solely my responsibility, as I have already stated on many other threads. However equally, posters should respect my choices too.
All I ask is that people see the other side of the coin and show a little compassion and understanding of what it is like, to have this constant worry. There are some on GN, who are quite harsh with their criticism.

You have absolutely little or no knowledge of my health nor circumstances.
My DIL, an optician had to go to work during the pandemic, despite my granddaughter being CEV, I know exactly how stressful that was. My DIL was terrified of bringing Covid into the house and eventually resigned from her job. They live five minutes away and I never saw them face to face for a year.
Furthermore, I understand that your daughter didn't have that luxury. Her circumstances sound extremely difficult.

My question, However, are we to stay in our homes forever? was directed at those who think we should do just that. It was meant to be ironic. #fail.

I have already had five vaccinations and will have a sixth in August. Despite this I am still very careful, with whom I mix with and where I go. It's a matter of balance. Twice last week
I was going to be admitted to hospital, but after much deliberation, my clinicians decided I should stay a home, where I would be safer. What does that tell you?
They obviously still have concerns about Covid being around. I think I trust them, rather than those on here, who say it is no longer a worry.

I haven't said you have accused anyone of being selfish ....

..I said that 'I' don't think people are selfish for wanting to go back to their normal ways...of course I don't know anything about you...or you me....I spoke about my DSIL before....you must be mixing me up with someone else.....actually my own DD ( like your DIL).lives 5mins from me....and also works in an opticians .... and I saw her almost every day, as well as my GD, thru covid....I made that choice....to me it was worth the risk....same as you made the choice not to see yours....and neither of our decisions are 'wrong' ....and of course covid is still around...its here for good .....people will only be understanding to a point....they want their lives back....and I completely get that.

Good for him, jax. I like his spirit.

mdoll, there is no venom in my posts, nor any lack of compassion. I work with clinically vulnerable people and that's one of the reasons I chose not to go the the Glasgow meetups, especially the first one when I felt the risk of my catching something on the train of which I'd probably be unaware was too high.

I'm glad your clinician encouraged you to go. S/he could probably see that it would do you good after all the shielding.

What follows is not directed at you.

What I resent is the apparent assumption by many people that wanting life to go back to normal is selfish. It isn't. Far too much collateral damage has been done to far too many people, especially children, by what I'm going to call all the covid theatre.

Well they can of course ....and I'm sure many do if they know they have covid

Baggs Life can't go "back to normal" while Covid is around. It won't be the same as it was before. Sure, people can go out, businesses can operate, etc, but there need to be mitigations. The NHS needs to budget for Covid and the benefits system needs to adjust to Long Covid and more generous sick pay. At the moment, it seems as though the government and its supporters are turning a blind eye to reality and pretending there aren't any issues.

Personally, I will wear a mask for as long as I want and I don't really care how people look at me. Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but I don't understand why it's anybody else's business or how it affects them. People on buses and shops, etc can do what they want and I shall continue to give them a wide berth because I haven't a clue who they are or whether they're infected. Why do people think they have the right to come on a site like GN and criticise people for doing what they think is sensible and thoughtful?

Dying and long-term illness aren't theatre!

Far too much collateral damage has been done to far too many people.

Baggs, that I would agree with that. A doctor said something similar to me in hospital, a few weeks ago.
He was specifically talking about those, who were advised to sheild. However, he had no alternative to offer.

Pax!

growstuff

Baggs Life can't go "back to normal" while Covid is around. It won't be the same as it was before. Sure, people can go out, businesses can operate, etc, but there need to be mitigations. The NHS needs to budget for Covid and the benefits system needs to adjust to Long Covid and more generous sick pay. At the moment, it seems as though the government and its supporters are turning a blind eye to reality and pretending there aren't any issues.

Personally, I will wear a mask for as long as I want and I don't really care how people look at me. Maybe I'm being over-cautious, but I don't understand why it's anybody else's business or how it affects them. People on buses and shops, etc can do what they want and I shall continue to give them a wide berth because I haven't a clue who they are or whether they're infected. Why do people think they have the right to come on a site like GN and criticise people for doing what they think is sensible and thoughtful?

But covid will be around forever?‍♀️.....and IMO it really is time to get back to normal ( for those that want to) .....I'm NHS in the community and in our trust we don't wear masks anymore in clinics or when home visiting....we don't have to limit how many people are in a room....we don't have to distance from people.....and we are loving it ....but ts also fine to continue wearing masks if that's your choice....I certainly wouldn't criticise you...infact I wouldn't give you a second glance...im too busy getting on with my own life....but i have no wish to join you in your mask wearing .

I have a chronic lung condition which during flare ups causes the most terrible coughing fits.Sometimes a mask makes it worse.
The only good thing about this condition is it is not contagious.

My husband too has a permanent cough following treatment for lung cancer , and looks quite ill some of the time., tries to wear a mask although really exempt, we rarely go shopping and have most things delivered, this is not at a ‘reasonable’ cost and whacks up all prices.He also has a Blue Badge for the odd times we use the car!!

My husband has lung cancer and regularly has to cough, he cannot wear a mask as it makes him even worse, but he has made a conscious decision to continue with a normal life and not spending his precious time shut away indoors. Please try not to judge people too quickly.

PS I was under the impression that wearing a mask is to protect othe people of catching something you may have and not actually giving you personally protection from others , I’m confused……

My son does deliveries for a supermarket and the majority of his customers are elderly. He has been off work for two weeks because he and his son have had Covid. He is still testing positive and now has a bad cough but his employer is insisting he goes back to work on Monday. His manager's comment is that he would go into work if he had flu! Wrong on so many levels!

I don't know what the answer is, but really, that is awful isn't it?
People stay home and order online, possibly because they are vulnerable, and the company puts them at risk.

….I saw her almost every day, and my GD, thru Covid….."

I hope you only saw her from a large distance, and not in the house or garden, or even the street or park, because you were breaking the law if not. Households were not allowed to mix, indoors or outdoors. Mixing was illegal, even for a walk. Mixing was totally against the law through Covid.

maddyone

^….I saw her almost every day, and my GD, thru Covid….."^

I hope you only saw her from a large distance, and not in the house or garden, or even the street or park, because you were breaking the law if not. Households were not allowed to mix, indoors or outdoors. Mixing was illegal, even for a walk. Mixing was totally against the law through Covid.

OMG are you for real???? Who are you to tell me whats illegal and whats not ???? I saw her indoors everyday ...not thats it any of your business ?

It was illegal to travel more than 5 kms from home. It was illegal to meet people outside your immediate family. It was illegal to be outside after dark. Just uncomfortable facts where I live. Helicopters would check that the roads were clear at night and fines were dished out all the time. Stalag Melbourne.

Ginny your cough sounds just like the cough I had. Have you been tested for allergies? After years of being fobbed off, one doctor suggested I take hayfever tabs with cetirizine in it. Within a week the cough stopped, and I now take one a day. Xx

nanna8

It was illegal to travel more than 5 kms from home. It was illegal to meet people outside your immediate family. It was illegal to be outside after dark. Just uncomfortable facts where I live. Helicopters would check that the roads were clear at night and fines were dished out all the time. Stalag Melbourne.

Sounds harsh....it wasn't that bad in the UK....and there were several exceptions to this which made it legal for people to be in your home

I'm NHS in the community and in our trust we don't wear masks anymore in clinics or when home visiting....we don't have to limit how many people are in a room....we don't have to distance from people.....and we are loving it

In that case, I'm grateful I'm not one of your trust's patients. I currently have cancer and have had numerous hospital appointments over the last few weeks. Thankfully, the trust where I'm being treated is somewhat more responsible. Mask-wearing isn't compulsory in the hospital, but most people are continuing to wear them. I certainly wouldn't allow any member of staff without one to examine me.

LOUISA1523

nanna8

It was illegal to travel more than 5 kms from home. It was illegal to meet people outside your immediate family. It was illegal to be outside after dark. Just uncomfortable facts where I live. Helicopters would check that the roads were clear at night and fines were dished out all the time. Stalag Melbourne.

Sounds harsh....it wasn't that bad in the UK....and there were several exceptions to this which made it legal for people to be in your home

And some idiots broke the rules anyway and made any number of pathetic excuses to claim they were exceptions to the rule.