Prince Harry’s speech

Jaberwok

That apparently is the case Annie, it is so sad to see the change in Harry. His memoirs are now set to come out at Christmas. Poor Queen, hasn't she had enough to put up with from these two in her twilight years without, what could be her last Christmas overshadowed by this latest offering. I just don't understand how Harry can keep doing this to his 96 year old grandmother who loves him and whom he purports to love?This type of cruelty is beyond me whoever the family is, how can anyone preach kindness when their actions are so unkind for no apparent reason. Baffling.

Agree absolutely. His treatment of the Queen and family are totally baffling. It seems so bitter and unkind, we can hardly recognise him from the young man he was. Tom Bower has painted a very dark picture of Meghan and the kind of person she is, and he is very careful to verify his claims. It seems from everything we've heard she is a master manipulator. I would like to be around in 10 or 20 years when the scales fall from Harry's eyes and he sees more clearly.

It's difficult to know what to say. Family upsets are so hurtful and to have one that is played out for the world to see must be just horrible. Harry has said how he feels numerous times which is fair enough,but to keep on twisting the knife is unfathomable,why can't he just leave it alone and let both sides get on with their lives.. Why choose Christmas? surely to goodness he could at least allow the Queen to have that in peace? Preaching compassion? He seems to have little or none for his 'much loved' grandmother. He may one day regret it and wish he'd been kinder.

Perhaps the Queen has invited them, perhaps they are confused, they said they were married three days before they
were married, Harry said he didn’t have bike rides with his father when he was a child, photographs show he did,

His mother was murdered because she was with a man who
wasn’t white, seems he had forgotten she was with Hasnet Khan
for two years.

Joseanne

Callistemon21

Elegran

Yes, he seems to have lost a lot of his joie de vivre. Could be the responsibilities of a family, and having to persist in doing things he is not naturally good at, so as to keep an income coming in.

I don't think he's a natural public speaker.
Despite everything he does and has done, he seems to lack confidence.

So why does he put himself through it then?
We know he flinches at every camera click, he told us so and we can see he is really nervous, so I can't understand why he puts himself in these situations. It can't be good for his BP.

I don't know, Joseanne.

Meghan is a better public speaker than her husband. She has spoken out on Women's Rights for years.

Did Harry actually say his mother was murdered because she was with a man who wasn’t white? If he did it’s a shame, because it buys into the conspiracy theory. I believe Diana died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, and was in a car with a driver who was drunk and speeding.

It has been all over the news that Harry and Meghan and children have been invited to visit the Queen at Balmoral this summer. I’ve no idea if it’s true or if they’ll go. It’s also been suggested that if they go, there will be no other royals apart from the Queen there when they visit. That would seem to be sensible to me, if it’s true.

maddyone

Did Harry actually say his mother was murdered because she was with a man who wasn’t white? If he did it’s a shame, because it buys into the conspiracy theory. I believe Diana died because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, and was in a car with a driver who was drunk and speeding.

Harry said something like, his mother was chased to her death while she was with someone who wasn't white. Which, I think, is factually correct.

He didn't want a similar thing to happen to him.

But, if you are a conspiracy theorist who will only ever interpret things to make M&H look like the worst examples of humanity ever, and like to twist things to support your bizarre world view, you might think that he said his mother had been murdered because she was with a man that wasn't white and that H is ignoring all the other facts.

Harry said something like, his mother was chased to her death while she was with someone who wasn't white. Which, I think, is factually correct.
That's a very weird thing to say because why would the colour of the other person have any relevance unless you were indicating it was relevant? The reporters were after pictures of her and her boyfriend, whatever colour he was.

When did Harry allegedly say this? Was it during the furore over Meghan and the racist allegations? Did he link it to this?
Or, was said at a completely different time? Does Harry really believe his mother died because she was dating a man who wasn’t white? It all seems a bit strange to me. Diana certainly wasn’t murdered, she died in a car accident, and as I said before, because she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt and got into a car that was to be driven by a drunk who was speeding. The paparazzi hold some, but certainly not all, of the responsibility because it’s possible that the driver wouldn’t have been speeding if they weren’t being chased. But then again, he might still have been speeding. He was drunk after all.

Here maddyone ......
"My mother was chased to her death while she was in a relationship with someone who wasn't white.
And now look what's happened.
You want to talk about history repeating itself, they're not going to stop until she dies.
It's incredibly triggering to potentially lose another woman in my life. Like, the list is growing."
'And it all comes back to the same people, the same business model, the same industry.'

Chestnut

^Harry said something like, his mother was chased to her death while she was with someone who wasn't white. Which, I think, is factually correct.^
That's a very weird thing to say because why would the colour of the other person have any relevance unless you were indicating it was relevant? The reporters were after pictures of her and her boyfriend, whatever colour he was.

Really? Are you serious?

Harry remembers how as a child his mother was in a relationship with a person of colour. While that relationship was ongoing, his mother was chased by paparazzi and died. Now there is no suggestion of murder, or intention, or any of that. But he is now in a relationship with a person of colour who the paparazzi and gutter press were taking a pop at.

You don't have to be Freud to understand he could see parallels and wanted to avoid them as much as possible. You do, however, have to be someone who isn't determined to interpret every single thing you ever read about M&H as negative.

Just because he sees parallels doesn't make it true.

It does however make it a very real psychological problem for him to have to work through.
Which I have sympathy for.

A cynic could make a case for it to be a convenient way to gain more public sympathy and attention.
This point of view was, afterall aired at one of his Oprah interviews.

What is wrong with you people? Have you no hearts?

William also lost his mother that night a fact that seems to get forgotten. Hearts? Who for? Certainly for a family that's constantly being battered by one member who seems determined to bring them down. He won't succeed of course, as these actions are proving counter productive by being overplayed.

Agreed Jaberwok that his cruelty to his family has turned so many people against him. He is behaving as though he has no heart, that's for sure.

Oh dear. Did Harry react differently to St William? The one that's married to English Rose Barbie?

"Battered" fgs. They are quite capable of bringing themselves down.

So surely the moral of the situation is, always wear a seatbelt in a car, don’t get in a car with a drunk driver, and stick to speed limits.

Thank you Joseanne for the full quote.

You want to talk about history repeating itself, they’re not going to stop until she dies.

This indicates to me severe mental health issues.

Of course I’m not a doctor but……

So William is to be mocked and sneered at because he manages his grief privately and has a beautiful supportive wife and three lovely children ?

It is not at all unusual for someone who has mental health issues to be manipulated.

The one that’s married to English Rose Barbie.

If you object to unkind comments about Meghan, then it would further your cause to not make unkind comments about Catherine.

No. Because he is idolized by some because he does what he's told and doesn't rock the royal boat.

maddyone

^The one that’s married to English Rose Barbie.^

If you object to unkind comments about Meghan, then it would further your cause to not make unkind comments about Catherine.

Sauce for the goose.

maddyone I agree those words sound rather paranoid. What on earth is going on in his head?

volver

Oh dear. Did Harry react differently to St William? The one that's married to English Rose Barbie?

"Battered" fgs. They are quite capable of bringing themselves down.

I don't compare them, like all of us they are different characters,
As for being genuinely worried for his wife's life being in danger, he lives in one of the most gun obsessed countries he could have possibly chosen (Sorry American grans, just trying to be straightforward).
Also, both he and his wife have been photographed not wearing seatbelts.
Forgive me if I conclude that the facts of his Mothers death have passed him by.
I judge his behaviour against my own, as I've been in a similar situation (not my mother, but I was a child), and I can tell you, seat belts are not obligatory in our house.
As always with Harry and Meghan their actions and words do not marry up.