Prince Harry’s speech

Brittany for me too Joseanne. I forget the name of the town it’s near because my son booked the house and invited us to join them, which means again that we will be making memories with our grandson. I believe that grandparents are very important in the lives of young children.

Joseanne

I have a sense of proportion in that I judge H & M's parenting to be sound (no photos) and I believe they support some good causes (vaccines for poor countries). B
But I also have a sense of propriety and an understanding of how good manners work, especially with reference to one's family (the Queen and the DofE), (his father). No anger, no rage, no madness. If anything just disappointment and frustration.

I agree with this.

Joseanne

I have a sense of proportion in that I judge H & M's parenting to be sound (no photos) and I believe they support some good causes (vaccines for poor countries). B
But I also have a sense of propriety and an understanding of how good manners work, especially with reference to one's family (the Queen and the DofE), (his father). No anger, no rage, no madness. If anything just disappointment and frustration.

The D of E wasn't his father (unless you have knowledge of another royal scandal???)
His father is a rather inadequate man who was trained from an early age not to show emotion. I've no doubt he has done his best but that doesn't mean anyone should have to try and play happy families with a lot of people who are plainly damaged for the rest of their life

There have been lots of comments about Harry looking so miserable at this meeting, but I saw a clip from a video just as he entered the room and a journalist shouted a remark about whether he was worried about the publication of the revenge book. Obviously he was p****d off and Meghan accordingly grasped (sorry held) his hand to comfort him?
John and Yoko live on.

The interview with Tom Bower (posted earlier) is a real eye opener. He has unearthed things about Meghan that we don't know but will verify what we do know. Will be interesting to see how she responds.

Thanks for the link Chestnut, really interesting.
I’m impressed with Tom Bower, he seems authentic, sensible and not in it for scandal mongering, just the truth.

Re David Attenburgh and flying - at least he makes some serious speeches when he gets there, and since he talks sense and has a reputation for knowing what he is talking about he does have a positive effect. Plus, he is not doing it to increase his and his wife's PR and their bank balance while dissing both sets of family.

hollysteers

Thanks for the link Chestnut, really interesting.
I’m impressed with Tom Bower, he seems authentic, sensible and not in it for scandal mongering, just the truth.

Yes, I’ve ordered his book. Apparently he’s only written what could be verified by other people ie witnesses. Should be interesting.

I also find Tom Bower straight and honest, calm and measured, and very confident that what he says is accurate. He reveals things about Meghan that are even more shocking than what we already know!

I did chuckle when he mentioned the 'fashion shoot' and she left in a pair of shoes they thought they'd loaned her.

I thought the comments from Harry's friends a real eye opener (when they first met Meghan). They thought he was nuts!

Tom Bower is known for being meticulous in his research. It will be a best seller I’m sure.

Elegran

Re David Attenburgh and flying - at least he makes some serious speeches when he gets there, and since he talks sense and has a reputation for knowing what he is talking about he does have a positive effect. Plus, he is not doing it to increase his and his wife's PR and their bank balance while dissing both sets of family.

So if Attenborough (sp) and Harry say exactly the same things, its OK for Attenborough to say it becuase we like him and think he's a good guy, but its not OK for Harry to say it because we don't like him?

Perfectly reasonable and grown up attitude that, certainly

I suspect that David Attenborough doesn't make as much use of private jets.

maddyone

Incidentally I have got flights booked for later this year. We’re flying to New Zealand, not by private jet, but by Emirates, economy on the way out, premium economy on the way back. Family relationships are very important to us and maintaining contact with our young grandchildren is premium to us. Two months in New Zealand for us, making memories with our family. I have no idea whether Harry would regard this trip as expendable but we certainly don’t.

Just saw this!

No, it's essential travel (excited for you ?)

Thank you so much Callistemon, and has your daughter arrived yet. It will be wonderful for you.

Back to Harry, and David Attenborough as well of course. I suspect that Harry uses rather more private jets than Harry does, but I could be wrong, maybe DA jumps on a private jet to go to a sports event every couple of weeks as well.

The Duchess of Cornwall allegedly jokingly told Prince Harry it would be 'funny' if his unborn mixed-race child has 'ginger Afro hair' when he grows up.

An author quoted sources close to Camilla who apparently told him the Duchess made the comments during a chat with Harry and his family about his relationship with Meghan.

The alleged comments come from a new no holds-barred book named Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the war between the Windsors by author Tom Bower.

Ooo I wouldn't have suspected Camilla, I quite like her, but she has a wicked cheeky streak! Is it something to joke about? I'd say yes, if you know the person very well, otherwise maybe not.
So that is why the Sussexs are frosty towards his father and wife. But what have poor William and Kate done?

Glorianny

Joseanne

I have a sense of proportion in that I judge H & M's parenting to be sound (no photos) and I believe they support some good causes (vaccines for poor countries). B
But I also have a sense of propriety and an understanding of how good manners work, especially with reference to one's family (the Queen and the DofE), (his father). No anger, no rage, no madness. If anything just disappointment and frustration.

The D of E wasn't his father (unless you have knowledge of another royal scandal???)
His father is a rather inadequate man who was trained from an early age not to show emotion. I've no doubt he has done his best but that doesn't mean anyone should have to try and play happy families with a lot of people who are plainly damaged for the rest of their life

Eek I certainly don't want to be accused of any unfounded rumours over royal scandals Glorianny - that's worse than being accused of being mad, raging, incandescent, angry or whatever.
What I meant was that Harry criticised his father's parenting, and he implied it stemmed from his own grandparents' parenting of Charles. That's why I kind of put them in separate brackets. The D of E wasn't his father!

Palace ‘insiders’ have said it’s nonsense but how would anyone really know what was said if it was a private conversation and in what context?

Someone on another thread despised the use of the expression 'tittle-tattle' but that is exactly what Tom Brewer's book is based on; it doesn't necessarily mean it is untrue, just unverifiable.

Joseanne

Glorianny

Joseanne

I have a sense of proportion in that I judge H & M's parenting to be sound (no photos) and I believe they support some good causes (vaccines for poor countries). B
But I also have a sense of propriety and an understanding of how good manners work, especially with reference to one's family (the Queen and the DofE), (his father). No anger, no rage, no madness. If anything just disappointment and frustration.

The D of E wasn't his father (unless you have knowledge of another royal scandal???)
His father is a rather inadequate man who was trained from an early age not to show emotion. I've no doubt he has done his best but that doesn't mean anyone should have to try and play happy families with a lot of people who are plainly damaged for the rest of their life

Eek I certainly don't want to be accused of any unfounded rumours over royal scandals Glorianny - that's worse than being accused of being mad, raging, incandescent, angry or whatever.
What I meant was that Harry criticised his father's parenting, and he implied it stemmed from his own grandparents' parenting of Charles. That's why I kind of put them in separate brackets. The D of E wasn't his father!

I'm very disappointed I thought we had a GN scoop! I was wondering if we could all have a share of the money when you published

Personally I wouldn't want any of them as family.
As for the stories about Meghan I have no doubt that any woman who is successful has a host of people who want to tell about some minor incident. It really is awful how we treat successful women.

Successful woman ! The allegations on the Oprah chat show
were just minor incidences?

Anniebach

Successful woman ! The allegations on the Oprah chat show
were just minor incidences?

Annie she was a highly paid actor and involved in many charitable activities, including work with the UN before she met Harry. I do think it is so sad when women refuse to recognise another woman's achievements.