Prince Harry’s speech

I wouldn’t expect anything less than a huge smile from you volver if I was ever to meet you

The point is that photos of people smiling, or not smiling, don’t really show us anything. They are a snapshot of the moment, and that’s what I meant to show. You can put up pictures of happy Harry, and someone else, me in this case, can show pictures of unhappy Harry. They are a moment in time but do not show underlying happiness or unhappiness.

My guess is that Harry and Meghan are happy together. I don’t know though and have no evidence. They seem to me to have every reason to be happy, a lovely home, wealth, two gorgeous children. They are at odds with both their families though, which might make some people unhappy, but it doesn’t appear to be so for them. So long as they’re okay with that, I guess they’re happy. But the smiling photos don’t prove happiness, any more than miserable looking photos show unhappiness.

*my granddaughters had never heard of Megan, I
can’t find anything about this mega star winning acting awards*

Who Saudi she was a mega star ? A successful actress I think is what was said, and she was, just because not many Brits watched Suits….. I did by the way,

So do you have to win awards to be considered successful ?

Damn, “Said “. Not Saudi

volver

^We don't know.^

Quite. Doesn't stop the presentation of speculation as gospel truth and the character assassination though, does it?

I don't see speculation as gospel truth, but I heard the lies coming out of their mouths during the Oprah interview so I know that's true. I know they frequently travel on private jets whilst lecturing us on climate change. I know they make a huge deal about their charity work because they advertise and publicise what they do at every opportunity.

I believe Meghan is a high maintenance, demanding and unpleasant person because so many people have said so. I believe Harry has been turned into a miserable, whinging moaner who sucks the life out of any gathering because that is what I see when he speaks.

I know they frequently travel on private jets whilst lecturing us on climate change.

His sainted brother lectures everybody on climate change. He and the family just just took a helicopter to the Scillies. Is that OK? Double standards from the commenters, I think.

Of course they make a huge deal of their charity work. How else do you think they do charity work? The use their public profile to raise awareness. That's how it works. Maybe they do lots we don't know about too. Maybe Meghan scrubs the floor at the local foodbank. Maybe they stand on LA street corners with collecting tins.

What you believe about M&H are just that - beliefs. You're entitled to your beliefs, absolutely. And others are entitled to think that people who believe these things are unpleasant people whose opinions are based on nothing but prejudice and a penchant for nasty gossip.

maddyone

I wouldn’t expect anything less than a huge smile from you volver if I was ever to meet you

The point is that photos of people smiling, or not smiling, don’t really show us anything. They are a snapshot of the moment, and that’s what I meant to show. You can put up pictures of happy Harry, and someone else, me in this case, can show pictures of unhappy Harry. They are a moment in time but do not show underlying happiness or unhappiness.

My guess is that Harry and Meghan are happy together. I don’t know though and have no evidence. They seem to me to have every reason to be happy, a lovely home, wealth, two gorgeous children. They are at odds with both their families though, which might make some people unhappy, but it doesn’t appear to be so for them. So long as they’re okay with that, I guess they’re happy. But the smiling photos don’t prove happiness, any more than miserable looking photos show unhappiness.

I'm sure I'd smile if we were ever to meet maddyone ?

I agree with you about the photos being a snapshot. But so many people use a split second image from their lives as proof of how Meghan is really Cruella de Ville and Harry is like George from George and Mildred

But I see it as contradicting yourself volver unless I misunderstood.
How can you deem people on here to be unpleasant from what they say, yet you won't accept that Meghan was unpleasant saying what she did in the interview, and so was Harry unpleasant when talking about his parenting and his grandparents?
I can just about accept Harry's speeches, but I think the interview was the worst move they could have done and it will stick forever due to its unfortunate timing.

I don't know if Meghan is unpleasant or not, never met the woman. Never met Harry either. I haven't based my view of them on an interview onto which I have projected my prejudices and preconceptions, and I have not decided that they are the bad guys based on hero-worship of the Windsor clan, who (shock, horror) are not automatically always the nicest of people just because they are the close family of the Queen.

We don't know any of these people and everything we think we know is based on PR (Sussexes and Windsors) and gossip mongering. Yet the things that are said here on GN about M&H are undeniably unpleasant.

If you're all sick of hearing about them, maybe don't read stuff about them? Give them a swerve?

No one is nailing you to the Daily Mail under pain of death.

What we've seen and heard of H&M with our own eyes and ears is evidence enough, along with evidence from numerous other people who have met them.

We don't know any of these people and everything we think we know is based on PR (Sussexes and Windsors) and gossip mongering. Yet the things that are said here on GN about M&H are undeniably unpleasant.

Why only about M&H? Some of the nastiest, extremely unpleasant things said on gransnet aren’t about M&H.

Seems certain posters only get wound up about these two but quite happily let the most vile comments about certain politicians or right of centre (in their view) commentators pass. Hypocrisy is alive and well on GN.

Why only about M&H? Some of the nastiest, extremely unpleasant things said on gransnet aren’t about M&H.

Who else gets called a monster, a third rate actress, a gold digger, a henpecked husband who is a miserable whinging moaner? Just because people think they they upset oor Lizzie? If politicians get criticised, for instance, for being useless politicians, that's fair enough. If minor royalty gets criticised for not being noble and selfless enough?

Hypocrisy indeed.

I think its because its all so silly that I comment. Our government is a shambles, the NHS is in freefall, climate change is starting to bite, there's a war in Europe; all kinds of things.

But people get activated by a posh chap flying to NY and making a speech with his wife in tow.

In the words of Elsa... "Let it go, let it go..."

Who else gets called a monster, a third rate actress, a gold digger, a henpecked husband who is a miserable whinging moaner? Just because people think they they upset oor Lizzie?

I've never heard the term monster but hey ho. The rest sounds pretty accurate from what we've seen and heard with our own eyes and from what numerous people who know them have said. All justified. And because they've treated the Queen and her family so appallingly we find them guilty as charged m'lud.

“Third rate actress….” Actually early on when I joined GN I was so shocked to see a poster describe Meghan as a “two bit actress” an absolutely horrible expression.
Poster in question of course had not seen said acting…..

Poster in question of course had not seen said acting…..
Available on Netflix

Chestnut

^Who else gets called a monster, a third rate actress, a gold digger, a henpecked husband who is a miserable whinging moaner? Just because people think they they upset oor Lizzie?^

I've never heard the term monster but hey ho. The rest sounds pretty accurate from what we've seen and heard with our own eyes and from what numerous people who know them have said. All justified. And because they've treated the Queen and her family so appallingly we find them guilty as charged m'lud.

All justified.

You think so. I think its childish and pathetic. You have no idea what the Queen thinks and feels, only what you believe she must think which is something else entirely. You are setting yourselves up as judge and jury regarding something that is nothing to do with you. (plural you). Makes a change from watching Neighbours or Eastenders, I suppose.

Hey ho.

I will comment on any individual, royal or otherwise, who is suggesting that ordinary individuals take fewer flights, whilst at the same time, hypocritically taking many flights, especially when those flights are private jets. Yesterday it was suggested that William and his family flew by private jet to Jordan last year. Shane on Prince William for doing that, it’s entitled behaviour. I know that Prince Charles flies by helicopter to Scotland for just a few hours before returning by helicopter. Shame on Prince Charles for doing that. It’s entitled behaviour. They have both, like Harry, made speeches exhorting us to cut our carbon emissions. This entitled family cause more emissions in their lifetimes than any one of us. They should all start to practice what they preach.

I know the Queen said ‘Recollections may vary.’ An interesting comment, I wonder what she meant.

It's pretty clear what she meant. That Meghan was making things up which weren't true.

volver 'as you think it's all so silly' why don't you

'In the words of Elsa... "Let it go, let it go..."

no you enjoy 'mixing it up' so much don't you. all accross the board.

lemsip

volver 'as you think it's all so silly' why don't you

'In the words of Elsa... "Let it go, let it go..."

no you enjoy 'mixing it up' so much don't you. all accross the board.

'Cause its a free country.

You want me to stop posting my opinions? You'll be disappointed then.

maddyone

I know the Queen said ‘Recollections may vary.’ An interesting comment, I wonder what she meant.

The Queen didn't say that. The Palace did. Subtle but important difference. The red tops at work with misinformation again

maddyone

I will comment on any individual, royal or otherwise, who is suggesting that ordinary individuals take fewer flights, whilst at the same time, hypocritically taking many flights, especially when those flights are private jets. Yesterday it was suggested that William and his family flew by private jet to Jordan last year. Shane on Prince William for doing that, it’s entitled behaviour. I know that Prince Charles flies by helicopter to Scotland for just a few hours before returning by helicopter. Shame on Prince Charles for doing that. It’s entitled behaviour. They have both, like Harry, made speeches exhorting us to cut our carbon emissions. This entitled family cause more emissions in their lifetimes than any one of us. They should all start to practice what they preach.

This is a much more interesting conversation.

I don't condemn anybody for using any form of transport then speaking about climate change.

It's not down to individuals to change, even very rich entitled ones. We need infrastructure change in the whole world and a few less private flights don't amount to a hill of beans.

I take your point volver, but hypocrisy is not a good look for the royal family. Nor for anyone else in the public eye actually.