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MawtheMerrier Sun 31-Jul-22 15:45:26

I wonder if the increase in misogyny and harassment of women, including sex-related crime and domestic abuse is a reaction to or a consequence of male bastions falling right, left and centre?
What do we associate with “boys’ “ birthday cards? Football.
Where do men feel most at home? Sporting fixtures or physical fitness.
The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!
But.
Girls outperform boys at school, women, while still underrepresented in the higher tiers, yet hold some of the top jobs in formerly male-dominated areas of business. Doctors are increasingly women, journalists and media figures likewise increasingly women. There will be more medals for women than men in this year’s Commonwealth Games.
Now womens football is leaving the male game standing and I have just heard there is to be an all-femake RAF fly past over Wembley.
Who are the weaker sex now?

Casdon Sun 31-Jul-22 19:30:09

Or in simple terms - mansplaining is treating the woman he’s telling something to as an airhead who can’t grasp a normal explanation. It’s very annoying.

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 19:42:48

volver

A financial officer at work once explained to me how a piece of software worked and how it did the analysis. I hadn't asked for that information.

I'd written the software.

That's mansplaining.

Surely, not necessarily, if he did not know thar and if he was trying to be helpful to you.

volver Sun 31-Jul-22 19:49:36

I'd worked in the company for 10 years. Him, about 6 months. My job included writing and designing financial models. The question "Are you familiar with this software?" would have been polite and wouldn't have killed him. You might have thought that me continually saying, "yes I know that, I wrote it" would have been a clue, but no.

Mansplaining.

ixion Sun 31-Jul-22 19:50:18

Then there is an assumption on the man's part that the woman will not understand without his help.

As here
- particularly if the woman to whom the explanation is being presented already knows the information that is being presented to her, even if the man is unaware of that prior knowledge and is trying to be helpful

Galaxy Sun 31-Jul-22 19:59:55

The other day DH explained to me the term which refers to the body movements children with autism can sometimes present with. I have managed childrens services for those with additional needs for years.

Lucca Sun 31-Jul-22 20:01:43

Knittingnovice

Girls outperform boys at school due to changes in education. Qualifications were purely exam based, now they are mainly coursework based.

What ??!

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 20:05:38

ixion

Then there is an assumption on the man's part that the woman will not understand without his help.

As here
- particularly if the woman to whom the explanation is ^being presented already knows the information that is being presented to her, even if the man is unaware of that prior knowledge and is trying to be helpful^

Not necessarily, it depends upon the circumstances.

He explaining something to her does not necessarily mean that she will not understand without his help, it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 20:07:32

Galaxy

The other day DH explained to me the term which refers to the body movements children with autism can sometimes present with. I have managed childrens services for those with additional needs for years.

What is the term please?

MawtheMerrier Sun 31-Jul-22 20:07:45

Kate1949

I've no idea what mansplaining is.

It’s explaining (generally unnecessarily ) in a patronising way.
You certainly recognise it as a woman, when you are on the receiving end.

volver Sun 31-Jul-22 20:12:19

StarDreamer

ixion

Then there is an assumption on the man's part that the woman will not understand without his help.

As here
- particularly if the woman to whom the explanation is ^being presented already knows the information that is being presented to her, even if the man is unaware of that prior knowledge and is trying to be helpful^

Not necessarily, it depends upon the circumstances.

He explaining something to her does not necessarily mean that she will not understand without his help, it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

The problem is the assumption.

it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

It could be that she wrote the actual software and it didn't cross his mind that this could be the case, so he carried on regardless.

Casdon Sun 31-Jul-22 20:12:36

volver we need your headbanger.

Galaxy Sun 31-Jul-22 20:12:51

Page 2 on a thread about misogyny, and Male violence and we are spending time trying to make sure mens feelings arent hurt.

volver Sun 31-Jul-22 20:13:44

Casdon

volver we need your headbanger.

Ta da!!!

ixion Sun 31-Jul-22 20:14:22

it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her

An assumption again.

Casdon Sun 31-Jul-22 20:15:01

volver

Casdon

volver we need your headbanger.

Ta da!!!

Thank you. This!

Kate1949 Sun 31-Jul-22 20:20:21

Oh no my nephew wouldn't do that. He's a sweetheart ?

volver Sun 31-Jul-22 20:23:47

Was the discussion about how lesbians of colour feel about something?

Mattsmum2 Sun 31-Jul-22 20:29:07

So what’s it called when a women explains something to a man in a patronising way? Womensplaining?

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 20:29:15

volver

StarDreamer

ixion

Then there is an assumption on the man's part that the woman will not understand without his help.

As here
- particularly if the woman to whom the explanation is ^being presented already knows the information that is being presented to her, even if the man is unaware of that prior knowledge and is trying to be helpful^

Not necessarily, it depends upon the circumstances.

He explaining something to her does not necessarily mean that she will not understand without his help, it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

The problem is the assumption.

it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable timescale unless he explains it to her.

It could be that she wrote the actual software and it didn't cross his mind that this could be the case, so he carried on regardless.

It was only later that there was added You might have thought that me continually saying, "yes I know that, I wrote it" would have been a clue, but no.

That added information makes a big difference to the circumstances.

volver Sun 31-Jul-22 20:31:55

Mattsmum2

So what’s it called when a women explains something to a man in a patronising way? Womensplaining?

Never happens.

?

Jaxjacky Sun 31-Jul-22 20:32:44

I’ve had women explain things to me in an equally demeaning manner when it was my job, it’s not just men, is there a specific word for that?

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 20:32:50

ixion

^it could be that she has no way of knowing in a reasonable^ timescale unless he explains it to her

An assumption again.

Yes, an assumption.

An assumption that it could be, yet it might not be.

Everything depends upon the circumstances of the particular situation that is being considered.

Elrel Sun 31-Jul-22 20:46:01

Volver - imho yours is a classic example of ‘mansplaining’.

My daughter and her husband work in the same field and hold similar qualifications. An accountant acquaintance, telling an anecdote about his own work, punctuated it with ‘You’ll understand the maths of this’. This was said to sil, it just happens that it’s my daughter who has the maths degree…

Galaxy Sun 31-Jul-22 20:46:22

GNHQ never did get back to us about the feminist section did they.

StarDreamer Sun 31-Jul-22 20:54:11

Galaxy

Page 2 on a thread about misogyny, and Male violence and we are spending time trying to make sure mens feelings arent hurt.

Well, I consider it unfair to deem all men to have the same attitude towards women.

The OP wrote:

What do we associate with “boys’ “ birthday cards? Football.

I don't. I have had birthday cards, I don't remember any one of them being anything to do with football. I think I would have remembered, as I was a very poor performer at football and not interested in it. I was interested in astronomy and locomotives.

Where do men feel most at home? Sporting fixtures or physical fitness.

No. Each to their own and if some men enjoy going to football matches then good luck to them as I like people to be happy. But not my interest.