Another bastion bites the dust?

Galaxy

GNHQ never did get back to us about the feminist section did they.

If I remember corectly, I believe that I positively supported the generation of a section on feminism.

If there has been an increase in sexual.assaults, and I think it's really difficult to know if it's an increase or an increase in females reporting, then I would be interested to know the impact porn has on that. There was going to be a government enquiry on the impact of porn particularly on young people, naively I believed that might happen.

StarDreamer

Thank you to those of you who included the word 'some' in your comments about men.

It always is some men. Men, like women, are not a homogenous group regardless of the fact that men share certain characteristics.

I think - and hope - that when we generalise about "men" that we are automatically assuming it's understood that we are not including all men when making negative observations.

Generally and personally speaking (and anecdotally) I've met far more nice men than the reverse!

The really important thing that happened today is that more girls and women will feel at home at sporting fixtures and working on their physical fitness. More girls will get birthday cards with female footballers on.

What a great day for women.

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A quick visit to Moonpig came up with these within the first 12 offers

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Just done the same specifying “Girls “

Nobody is saying that stereotypes are right but they do exist, sadly.

I agree absolutely with what you say RichmondPark , the stereotypes need to be consigned to history and girls and boys encouraged to strive for their own goals (no pun intended)

I just tried Papier.

They do have For Her and For Him and For Kids (sic) but in For Him and For Her there are various, though some are such as SIS and BRO.

I use Papier myself.

But isn’t it wonderful that the world can be anybody’s oyster- boy or girl.
One film I have always loved is “Hidden Figures”in which 3 female African-American mathematicians play a pivotal role in astronaut John Glenn's launch into orbit, facing and overcoming the racial and gender workplace discrimination of the period.
Inspirational.
But it has taken nearly 60 years to get to this point today.

Knittingnovice

Girls outperform boys at school due to changes in education. Qualifications were purely exam based, now they are mainly coursework based.

No, actually, they're not. Most GCSEs and A Levels (plus International Baccalaureate) are mostly exam based. In my subject (English), all three at 100% exam based.

MawtheMerrier wrote The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!

Here is a link to a web story from Sky News.

The title on the page is different from the address of the page.

The title on the page is as follows.

> Euro 2022: Only in 1971 FA lifted half-century ban on women's organised football, now England are champions - what's next?

LINK > news.sky.com/story/euro-2022-the-glamour-and-national-focus-on-the-lionesses-should-not-mask-the-fact-that-challenges-remain-12663298

What I do not understand is on what basis the Football Association purportedly banned women's organised football.

They might have been able to say that the Football Association would not have anything to do with organising women's organised football. But as far as I am aware they had no right to ban it.

What is the history of this? Did they have rules such that no club that was holding Football Association membership could allow women to play on their football pitches, and restricttions of that nature?

I am wondering whether women were allowed to attend men's football matches as spectators.

"one year after more than 53,000 spectators turned out to watch at Goodison Park, the FA voted to ban women’s football. The sport’s governing body did not have the power to ban women from playing outright – that was impossible, so instead they ruled that women’s games were barred from FA-affiliated football grounds. The ban was to last for 51 years."

www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jun/13/how-the-fa-banned-womens-football-in-1921-and-tried-to-justify-it

Dickens wrote I think - and hope - that when we generalise about "men" that we are automatically assuming it's understood that we are not including all men when making negative observations.

Well, what you think and hope is a matter for you, but if someone writes "men" without clarification that it is not "all men" that are being included then it is, in my opinon, not unreasonable for the statement to be read, and understood, as if it is meaning "all men".

When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space.

There is absolutely zero chance of us being able to forget that.

Thank you, FarNorth.

I notice that the ladies in the 1922 photograph each have a hat that matches her football shirt.

MawtheMerrier

But isn’t it wonderful that the world can be anybody’s oyster- boy or girl.
One film I have always loved is “Hidden Figures”in which 3 female African-American mathematicians play a pivotal role in astronaut John Glenn's launch into orbit, facing and overcoming the racial and gender workplace discrimination of the period.
Inspirational.
But it has taken nearly 60 years to get to this point today.

We were just talking about this film the other day, and the one about Marie Curie after watching the film "The wife", with Glen Close. Well worth a watch and came recommended by DD.
Women can now participate and excel in most sports or careers they want to and does it antagonise some men.
This weekend she recommended 'The Nest", about the banking world which she has close knowledge of, we were wondering if she was trying to tell us something and women certainly don't seem to have broken the glass ceiling there. I wonder why?

It must be borne in mind that women have been discriminated against for ( ever) a very long time so if some men feel just a bit of the same now, then it gives them a taste of what we have had and still have to deal with on a day to day basis.
Ultimately equality is the goal but that is still way off.
I am not a football supporter but congratulate the women who won yesterday amidst an atmosphere which lends itself to families enjoying matches, unlike some of the men’s matches when the atmosphere is often aggressive and unpleasant and therefore unwelcoming to people just wanting to enjoy a well played match.

Yearsb ago, 1970s, I was at a social event and a man of about my then age was saying that he had moved to the area because hec worked for a bank and had been posted to the area.

He explained that, for the bank at which he worked, all men joining and women joining had to be willing to go where posted, except that a woman could opt to stay permanently at the branch where she joined but if she did she had to accept that she would never be promoted above being a cashier at the counter.

StarDreamer

MawtheMerrier wrote The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!

Here is a link to a web story from Sky News.

The title on the page is different from the address of the page.

The title on the page is as follows.

> Euro 2022: Only in 1971 FA lifted half-century ban on women's organised football, now England are champions - what's next?

LINK > news.sky.com/story/euro-2022-the-glamour-and-national-focus-on-the-lionesses-should-not-mask-the-fact-that-challenges-remain-12663298

What I do not understand is on what basis the Football Association purportedly banned women's organised football.

They might have been able to say that the Football Association would not have anything to do with organising women's organised football. But as far as I am aware they had no right to ban it.

What is the history of this? Did they have rules such that no club that was holding Football Association membership could allow women to play on their football pitches, and restricttions of that nature?

I am wondering whether women were allowed to attend men's football matches as spectators.

I think this answers your question
The money raised that day was the equivalent of about £140,000 today. This focused the minds of those watching the Dick, Kerr Ladies and other women’s teams with mistrust and trepidation. It would be this hugely successful match that would trigger the devastation of the women’s game.
The FA and the political establishment were not blind to the growing popularity and success of women’s football. The huge sums of money being raised were outside their jurisdiction and control. Worse still, that money was no longer being raised to support the war wounded but was being channelled into political and working-class causes – causes antithetical to the establishment
I think the Guardian article is quite comprehensive on the (shameful) background to the story.
As I said - it was in danger of becoming too popular and the FA instead of harnessing the growing popularity of the game among women, instead tried to strangle it at birth.
Not the first or indeed last time women’s rights to equality have been cut off by the patriarchy.
Roe v Wade anybody?

I am male and I have been discriminated against, by people who had never met me, but not because I was male, but because I was "not representing an organisation".

Knittingnovice

Girls outperform boys at school due to changes in education. Qualifications were purely exam based, now they are mainly coursework based.

Exams went through a coursework phase, but they're mainly exam-based now.

uk.news.yahoo.com/hailing-frequencies-open-tributes-flow-100552669.html

Some bastions get pushed over by people who change things for the better.

I think that phrase being bandied about ‘white,male and stale’,is appalling. Racist, sexist and judgemental. Imagine if it was said about females who are not white. They would probably cop a hefty fine. Personally I think some females are every bit as bad as some males and from personal experience I have found a bad female boss far worse than any male. Usually you can communicate with a male , frequently not the case with females

Crikey.

I find I am using that word a lot.