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MawtheMerrier Sun 31-Jul-22 15:45:26

I wonder if the increase in misogyny and harassment of women, including sex-related crime and domestic abuse is a reaction to or a consequence of male bastions falling right, left and centre?
What do we associate with “boys’ “ birthday cards? Football.
Where do men feel most at home? Sporting fixtures or physical fitness.
The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!
But.
Girls outperform boys at school, women, while still underrepresented in the higher tiers, yet hold some of the top jobs in formerly male-dominated areas of business. Doctors are increasingly women, journalists and media figures likewise increasingly women. There will be more medals for women than men in this year’s Commonwealth Games.
Now womens football is leaving the male game standing and I have just heard there is to be an all-femake RAF fly past over Wembley.
Who are the weaker sex now?

StarDreamer Tue 02-Aug-22 14:49:34

Grandma70s

I did A level English like Gagajo, without the texts. I didn’t find it horrible - I loved it!

There was a lot of the fear of the impending exams culture.

It would have been far better if it had been regarded as an intellectual sport and one goes into training to perform well and one looks forward to the exmination as a wonderful opportubity to show how good one is at intellectual sport.

Sor of great, the exams this week rather than argh the exams this week.

Perhaps some schools got pupils into that way of thinking and they did better for it.

Geordiegirl1 Tue 02-Aug-22 15:11:48

If only women would support one another more. Used be called the sisterhood during the rise of the Womens Movement.

Carbonated Tue 02-Aug-22 15:17:52

Mattsmum2, I so agree. Its horrible to hear some of the constant misandery, especially with regards to boys in school. The education system appeals to those who want to sit, listen and absorb, not those who want to explore, decipher and construct, all the approaches that require movement, discussion and Teamwork. If you're a boy, this is often seen as 'naughty' behaviour if you're a girl you're 'strong'. I don't like hearing constantly about girls being given educational encouragement, whilst boys are left to languish in teaching environments that simply don't bring out the best in them.
I can't point to a single young male I know, who behaves or speaks musogynitically. The younger men should not be patronised into treating women better, (have you seen that insulting ad with the footballers?), the older men are the ones who need the education to change their preconceptions and behaviour who then in turn will be role models for young men.
After all our trials and struggle as women, we've learned a thing or two about getting the best out of people. Why do we now have to down tread, sideline or patronise men, especially the younger ones? This is not equality.

Jackiest Tue 02-Aug-22 15:32:59

welbeck

Jackiest

It is not just in schools we are conditioned to think we are the weak ones that need looking after. Just take a man is expected to give up their seat to a woman rather than everyone should give up their seat so someone who needs it more than they do.

it would be quite an improvement if anyone would glance around and be willing to let someone who is struggling sit down.
very rarely happens now.
as to the long ago man standing up for woman thing, i don't see that as implying women are weaker; but the fact is no man is pregnant, a woman might be, and it benefits all society to assist that woman to a healthy outcome.

If a woman is pregnant then she will almost certainly need the seat more than the person sitting. It does not matter what gender the person is.
If I noticed a woman standing that looked pregnant or anyone that had any difficulty then I would give up my seat. I would not sit there waiting for a man to give up their seat.

Paperbackwriter Tue 02-Aug-22 15:44:14

If men are wanting to be equal to the modern women, then they need to try harder. For too long they've been lazily assuming a dominant role and now it's being challenged, then tough!
As for exams etc, it's a well known fact that back in the days of the 11 plus, in order to get an equal number of boys and girls into grammar schools, there had to be an acceptance of a lower pass mark for boys as girls did so much better. It meant that many girls who were brighter than some boys who passed, missed out on a top education. I'll not be feeling sorry for men. And I certainly won't be blaming domestic violence on their wounded pride as if 'we' are to blame!

Kate1949 Tue 02-Aug-22 16:10:27

Women commit domestic violence too.

Galaxy Tue 02-Aug-22 16:13:13

2 women a week are killed by their partner.

StarDreamer Tue 02-Aug-22 16:47:57

Paperbackwriter

If men are wanting to be equal to the modern women, then they need to try harder. For too long they've been lazily assuming a dominant role and now it's being challenged, then tough!
As for exams etc, it's a well known fact that back in the days of the 11 plus, in order to get an equal number of boys and girls into grammar schools, there had to be an acceptance of a lower pass mark for boys as girls did so much better. It meant that many girls who were brighter than some boys who passed, missed out on a top education. I'll not be feeling sorry for men. And I certainly won't be blaming domestic violence on their wounded pride as if 'we' are to blame!

I like to think that I never tried to assume, nor did assume, a dominant role over anybody.

There seems to be lot of sweeping generalisations about men.

Many are very varied. Some are aggressive, some are not.

There used to be an Open University television programme on psychology that I saw a couple of times.

A group of men were given a questionnaire and from this questionnaire the experimenters deduced who were the most cooperative types and who were the most pushy types.

There was this sort of basic video game.

The two most cooperative ones played each other.

The two most pushy ones played each other.l

The game had one screen and they had a controller ach.

On the screen, there was a river across the middle.

There was a single rack bridge over the river.

Each player had a tractor and cart.

The idea was to cross the bridge, get a "load of hay", go back over the bridge and store the hay. Repeat continually. Money paid to each player for bales of hay gathered.

The cooperative ones.

"So, let's take turns to cross the bridge - you go first."

So they proceeded. gathering bales of hay.

The pushy ones.

They meet head on in the middle of the bridge.

"Pull back so I can get through"

"No, you pull back"

and on it went.

Then the experimenters changed the game slightly.

They added two gates, so each could control the gate on the opposite bank relative to his home position.

The cooperatives ones.

Puzzled look.

"So, we just leave the gates open and carry on as before."

"Yes."

The pushy ones.

Utter chaos. One man managed to convince the other that he had the upper hand, by some reasoning that was in fact untrue.

So not all men think and act in the same way.

Jackiest Tue 02-Aug-22 18:31:56

If you divide the world by stereotypes, men are this and women are that then you will always be wrong and the millions of people that do not fit those stereotypes will suffer.

rocketstop Wed 03-Aug-22 08:55:50

And...Maw, Last weekend we finished watching the WOMEN'S Tour De France whiuch was really exciting and such a great achievment. !!

StarDreamer Wed 03-Aug-22 09:20:27

When the next Euro football contest of men takes place, will it be called the Euro football whatever or the Men's Euro football whatever?

That is, will the contest of men be labelled as Men's or will it be presumed to be the men's game if there is nothing to indicate of which sex the contestants will be?

LuckyFour Wed 03-Aug-22 11:30:10

I believe birth control methods, particularly the pill, have made a massive difference. We can have a sex life and still work and play sport etc.

Kayteetay1 Tue 09-Aug-22 06:27:15

This isn’t the case anymore. Secondary school attainment is exam focussed with students hot housed to answer core questions rather than expand their knowledge with coursework.

Some subjects, including English, maths and science, are assessed purely by exam. Others include an element of coursework or practical work. For example, 30 per cent of the marks in design and technology are allocated to practical work, and in modern languages, 60 per cent of the marks come from coursework and practicals. Dance and drama are 60 per cent practical, and art and design is 100 per cent practical.