Anyone still thinking of voting tory at the next General Election?

I either won't vote at the next election or vote Independent. I can't vote Tory or Labour!

It will depend on the other options. At the last local elections I voted green because the candidate was local. I did get the chance to speak to him and he was spot on with local issues. The sitting tories got in as usual.

It has been a good week for Labour and an unprecedentedly bad week for the Tories.

At times like these it is easy to think that Labour is in with a chance to win the next general election, but and it is a huge but - in order to win a majority it needs to do better probably than it has ever done.

That is the sort of mountain Labour has to climb and why imo it makes much more sense for all parties of the left to cooperate in order to save the U.K. form the destruction we are witnessing.

Mamardoit

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Could you explain who 'we' are please DaisyAnn.

Gransnet members and readers, Mamardoit. Who else could it be?

Fleurpepper

DaisyAnne

I think we need to remember that most people are not political in the way that we are. I have dear friends who are Dicken's description of Conservative but only one of them would consider themselves "political". I think, for some, this is all quite bewildering. Heaven knows what they will do if it is still like this, with this crew, by the time we come to a GE.

Yes, I know some too. And in the last few days their private pensions have lost a huge percentage, and their buyer (house) pulled out due to mortgage issues. They are suddenly coming to realise what they voted for!

That sounds as if you are crowing Fleurpepper. I wouldn't want to be the friend of someone who does that. However, I do appreciate the nuances are missing on the internet so maybe that's not what you meant.

MayBee70

I can understand people voting Conservative if their MP is an old school decent kind of MP. Everyone I knew in Ken Clark’s constituency voted for him regardless of their political persuasion. If eg someone like Dominic Grieve was my MP I’d be tempted to vote for him but Johnson booted him out. I nearly voted Conservative once because I was tempted by a couple of things in their manifesto but, guess what. They never did them anyway so it’s a good job I didn’t.

That's what I was driving at in an earlier comment.

Clarke and Grieve epitomise the traditional Conservative party that was the 'acceptable' face of Capitalism. Clarke, in particular, always appeared to me to be 'in touch' with the lives of ordinary people.

What I cannot understand is why anyone who isn't fairly wealthy will vote for this current mob. If you have a mortgage, or rely on the NHS and other associated services, have a private pension, if you are afraid to turn on your central heating, if your adult children are struggling or just about managing... what do you hope to gain from re-electing them?

The 'mood' of the country is a tad ugly at the moment. There are strikes, there is anger, people are feeling rebellious - will investors really be attracted to invest in the UK under the current climate?

Truss and Kwarteng may have a mandate from certain sections of the Tory party, but they don't have one from the general public.

These threads are seriously weird.
Why does anyone care who votes for what party?
Some people on here are obsessed with it, & asking for reasons why people vote the way they do?
I’ll vote for whoever I like.
Honestly, you’d think the Tory party was a banned far right organisation the way people talk on here.
Go & join an Italian forum & ask people the same question, might be more interesting.

Urmstongran

It’s to early to tell yet (obv).
I might.
Then again, I might not.

Yep!

My vote, my business.

nanna8

Why would anyone care who votes what on here? I hate this ganging up syndrome, it is just plain nasty. It reminds me of sending people to Coventry when I was a schoolgirl. To my absolute shame, I joined in.

I think we care because we are afraid. The future is so uncertain. If you are elderly, there is little you can do to mitigate events that are outside your control. We are at the mercy of a party that appears to be gambling the economic future of the country.

If you have no control over what is happening the only thing left is to try to understand why it is happening.

That's why we want to know the reasoning behind people's choices.

I'm not ganging up on anyone, I just want to understand their POV.

MayBee70

I can understand people voting Conservative if their MP is an old school decent kind of MP. Everyone I knew in Ken Clark’s constituency voted for him regardless of their political persuasion. If eg someone like Dominic Grieve was my MP I’d be tempted to vote for him but Johnson booted him out. I nearly voted Conservative once because I was tempted by a couple of things in their manifesto but, guess what. They never did them anyway so it’s a good job I didn’t.

I can understand people voting Conservative if they are Conservative. I don't agree with their take on what is best for the country but then neither right or left agree with me and I don't think we are all wrong, just different.

What we don't have at the moment is the Conservatives in government, as far as I can see. That makes it as difficult for their voters as it does for the rest of us who do not have a party that stands for what they think is the best for the country and can win.

It is everyone’s business who they vote for - of course it is.

But a very large number of people have seen what we see as horribly destructive steps taken over the past few years. From Brexit to the current crises, from the loss of the right to demonstrate to the separation of powers - the UK has changed beyond measure. People now rely on food banks even when working, and children are going hungry. We aren’t even in winter yet but people are worried about fuel bills because of standing charges. The NHS is frighteningly underfunded.

Is it not reasonable for those of us who voted against all of this to ask what those who did think is good about it, and why, for the sake of the next generations, they are considering doing it again?

If there are posters who don't want to say how they vote, don't post on a thread asking you which way you will vote.

It's not compulsory!!

Also don't belittle people who are asking the question or those who choose to answer it.

Good grief no, Fleurpepper, I won’t be at the Conservative conference in person. I think that’s for party members isn’t it - which I’m not. The idiots who voted for Truss. I will just watch parts of it on tv, same as I have been watching parts of the Labour conference.

I've always been left of centre - on the Social Democrat 'wing' of the Lib Dems. If there is no credible Lib Dem candidate here at the next GE, I'll willingly give my vote to the Labour candidate. Our Tory MP serves his constituents reasonably well, but when I write to him, all I get back is a long screed taken from a Tory policy document which I could have read on line,

I've just come off a SM site where a similar discussion was raging (as opposed to GN's more sedate style of posting).

The consensus of opinion of those who were pro this government's fiscal adventure seems to be that if you disapprove, you are simply envious and (as one poster told me) "you need to work harder and stop relying on other people's money". It seemed pointless to inform him that I started work at 15, retired at 67 and until recently (at age 80) ran a small business (and managed to be a carer for my disabled partner at the same time, as well as managing my own partial disability) and am still taxed on my income. You cannot argue against prejudice and ignorance and assumptions made by such individuals. It's totally beyond their comprehension that anyone can care about the nature of the society they live in and want to see a fairer distribution of wealth - not to mention the danger to a country's stability brought about by long-standing inequality which breeds resentment, anger and, ultimately, rebellion, and a reputation on the world stage. Pointing this out will simply attract a plethora of laughing emojis, or the inevitable angry face emoji.

Not one of them put forward a constructive argument supporting their stance.

Such people are not your traditional Conservative voters, they are a breed of rabid right-wing extremists whose narrow self-centred vision is destructive, divisive and ultimately damaging to the whole of society. A plague on them!

Well said (as ever), Dickens!

Not a chance.

I voted Conservative last election, for the first and last time, because I just couldn't see Corbyn as PM.

But this shower have made such a mess of just about anything they've touched, that I could not vote for them again.

No idea who I will vote for at the moment. Wait and see their election pledges and decide from there, I suppose.

I won't be voting Tory next time whatever Truss says at the conference. She clearly does not listen to advice. Nor does Kwarteng it seems. A good start, wasn't it, firing the top civil servant in Treasury at a key moment? I'm afraid the Party is scraping the bottom of the barrel and they need 5 or 10 years to refresh.

Germanshepherdsmum

It depends on how things are at the time and who’s in post. I would like to see the back of Truss and Kwarteng yesterday.

Same here.

I have never voted for the tories and never will.

I'm politically left and because the Conservatives have behaved so badly for a long time now, and no Labour presence to speak of, I am an SNP voter ,as it seems like the only chance of a decent government and future.

I didn't especially need independence but I do want things to be better and I find myself getting more radical at time goes on as this government descends into chaos and the country into poverty for many and rewards for those that are already rich!

I never wanted to leave the EU, as was the case with most of Scotland . It was the biggest most heinous crime committed against us this century.

With independence I still have a chance to get back to that union which I have to say offers a lot more in hope, respect and autonomy than the current 'supposed' union! This is not a United Kingdom and Tory Westminster continues in its own hideous and harmful bubble.

Out of touch
Out of line
... and currently out of their minds!!

Meanwhile more food banks and precarious health care; declining even more by the day!

The world looks on as the mess unfolds. We have lost their respect and trust and they are letting us know!

Grannybags

I have voted Tory all my life but if there was a GE tomorrow the answer to your question would be no

I agree 100%. Truss et al have acted in a total kamikaze fashion. .

I have always voted Conservative. Never again after this lot.

The latest Yougov poll shows that there are many people like you Rosalyn who did voted Conservative but will never do so again.

I despair of the conservatives at the moment and have always voted for them. But never again. Although I don’t think much of Angela Rainer either!

Nope....next question??