Tipping out milk in London stores

volver

Suella would love you lot.

Why for objecting to people who carry out wanton criminal damage or for those that block the highway which is also illegal

I am a vegan and have been one for many years.

I totally disagree with that type of protest. It is not going to win anyone over and is very wasteful.

No, for generally saying that protest should be stopped because it's making you a bit miffed and you don't agree with what they are protesting about.

Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely.

The vegans won’t achieve their aims whatever they do. People will choose to eat animal products or they won’t. Pouring milk all over goods for sale in shops won’t cause anyone to change their minds about what they eat. The suffragettes were aiming to change the mind of government about an important constitutional issue, these vegans are attempting to influence the entire population’s dietary habits. It won’t work.

No-one is saying protest should be stopped. You can protest in a much more intelligent way than throwing away something others could use. As for those blocking roads, how many of them realise that those hi-viz jackets, banners etc. all contain plastic which comes from oil. Somewhat hypocritical.

Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely

Ah, the Putin school of thought.

Many of us find the Vegan diet unhealthy as it lacks important nutrients.
If you are young and basically healthy you will be ok for a while.
So why would anyone want to switch to an unhealthy diet?
Also the main vegan modern foods are very processed. they won't be nearly as safe for the environment as natural vegan foods like Tofu and Tempah..
Veganism is not safe for babies and children. Again it is poor nutrition.
While a Vegan i believed i was getting Vit B 12 from seaweed. This wasn't true. I became very deficient and needed injections.
Do these protesters have any idea how many cannot afford the fake milks ?
I would protest to SUPPORT Animal Welfare in farming.

I'm going to protest at GNHQ if they don't stop putting videos advertising TV shows in the middle of threads. That's the second time I've clicked on one as I thought it was posted by whoever's post was next to it, and relevant to the topic. I'm probably encouraging them by clicking, too ?.

I'm all in favour of protest, but not of wasting food. Plus, if it was cows' milk, surely the vegans would object to the exploitation of animals to further their cause?

eazybee

^Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely^

Ah, the Putin school of thought.

God, that's comical. ???

I don’t agree with their tactics and I particularly dislike the fact they are wasting something that cows suffered to provide. But I respect the fact they have strong feelings about this and they are willing to take action.

volver

No, for generally saying that protest should be stopped because it's making you a bit miffed and you don't agree with what they are protesting about.

Suffragettes blew up post boxes. You don't get your aims met by asking politely.

In many ways my heart agrees with you volver. I love a good demonstration because of the camaraderie engendered and have participated in a fair few in my time.
However reason tells me that generally they don’t achieve change. Look at the anti war demo before we invaded Iraq.
I believe that although the Suffragettes brought attention to their cause, it was the Suffragists ground work and efforts of persuasion behind the scenes that was probably more influential. The biggest influence for change was in the end the First World War.

pinkquartz

Many of us find the Vegan diet unhealthy as it lacks important nutrients.
If you are young and basically healthy you will be ok for a while.
So why would anyone want to switch to an unhealthy diet?
Also the main vegan modern foods are very processed. they won't be nearly as safe for the environment as natural vegan foods like Tofu and Tempah..
Veganism is not safe for babies and children. Again it is poor nutrition.
While a Vegan i believed i was getting Vit B 12 from seaweed. This wasn't true. I became very deficient and needed injections.
Do these protesters have any idea how many cannot afford the fake milks ?
I would protest to SUPPORT Animal Welfare in farming.

I'm confused. Which "main vegan modern foods" are unhealthy?

We're vegan if our children aren't around -- they refuse, we pander to their love of meat if they're eating with us.

We eat a healthy plant based diet, take B12, eat tofu, nuts, pulses, grains.

I'm not sure what you're objecting to?

I do object to the wasteful protest.

Farzanah said: The biggest influence for change was in the end the First World War.

I agree Farzanah.

There's a great deal of difference between fighting for votes for women and wasting food and damaging property because you want everyone to everyone to eat and think as you do.

Don't you think that the suffragettes were told that they were damaging property, (and worse, endangering lives) because they wanted everyone else to think as they did?

Yes but allowing women to vote is, or should be, a basic human right. Being vegan is a choice.

Kate1949

There's a great deal of difference between fighting for votes for women and wasting food and damaging property because you want everyone to everyone to eat and think as you do.

Indeed

Kate1949

Yes but allowing women to vote is, or should be, a basic human right. Being vegan is a choice.

We think that about women's right to vote now. I certainly agree with it.

Not everybody thought that in past times though and many people (most people?) disagreed with the suffragettes' cause.

In recent times, many people would have argued vehemently against same sex marriage. Nowadays its accepted and part of the legal rights of people who live in the UK. I'm sure that many still object to it. Dismissing a current cause because we think it is trivial in comparison with causes of the past is not valid.

It was their war work, not their demonstrations that persuaded Lloyd George to grant women (initially 30 year olds) the vote in 1918.

Of course they should be allowed to protest but to do this is utterly wasteful and definitely won't encourage others to become vegans. I think many who are not vegetarian or who would not even contemplated being so a few years ago can see the benefits of cutting down on meat or becoming totally vegetarian but not vegan, it is a step too far for many and as has been said not always healthy, especially for babies and children. So many products are manufactured with goodness knows how many (artificial) ingredients which people buy for convenience and then convince themselves it is good for them when really it is not any better than other fast food/takeaways.

Foods which are not exclusively vegan foods are being labelled vegan. I wonder why they don’t label them “suitable for omnivores, vegetarians and vegans” or even “vegetarians, vegans and omnivores”? Carrots have been around so long they shouldn’t need a label other than carrots.

Vegans don’t protest because they want everyone to eat the same foods they do, they protest because they believe animals don’t have a voice, which is true.

Urmstongran

They like to style themselves as brave eco warriors. In reality they only do what they are doing because they know we have a useless woke police farce that is more likely to charge any frustrated citizen who tries to move them out of the way.

The police in France knew how to deal with clowns who glued themselves to roads. They didn't spend hours gently removing the glue so as not to hurt the little darlings - they grabbed a hold of them and yanked them off the road. Needless to say, after seeing that, their fellow 'revolutionaries' soon stopped doing that particular little stunt.

Our useless woke police farce consists of over-stretched, increasingly demoralised officers upholding the laws and rules set down by others. Human beings, the vast majority of whom are doing their best despite what often seems to them like a total lack of support from public or government. No wonder there’s a recruitment crisis. Why not criticise those who have the power to make the rules, not the poor sods at the bottom of the pile who are damned if they follow them, damned if they don’t?

volver

Suella would love you lot.

Well, that's a bizarre comment.

Surely the difference between votes for women, same sex marriage etc is that they want to give people equal rights, as opposed to the compulsion element of this vegan protest? Nobody is forced to vote, or marry someone of the same sex, but these protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen. Wasting food and causing criminal damage to somebody else's property is not an intelligent way of getting people to consider your argument