Tipping out milk in London stores

Callistemon21

volver

Suella would love you lot.

Well, that's a bizarre comment.

I agree my views on this are absolutely nothing to do with politics

Well, they certainly got us talking about it!

I wonder what protest methods we would approve and how can the protestors encourage us to consider less animal products in our diet or at least the raising of welfare standards of the animals which provide food for us today?

About 26,000 tonnes of food is wasted in the UK each day so it's odd we're getting our knickers in a twist over a few pints of symbolically spilled milk.

For the record I've worked as a dairy farmer and I eat milk and meat but I genuinely believe for the environment, the animals and our health we'd do well to cut down on dairy and meat and take on board some of this vegan stuff.

Sorry pouring perfectly good food products over the floor and other items thereby making them not fit for human consumption is wasteful and obscene.

Rosie51

Surely the difference between votes for women, same sex marriage etc is that they want to give people equal rights, as opposed to the compulsion element of this vegan protest? Nobody is forced to vote, or marry someone of the same sex, but these protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen. Wasting food and causing criminal damage to somebody else's property is not an intelligent way of getting people to consider your argument

That's a valid point Rosie51.

It should be noted, though, that they are not trying to make everybody choose vegan - they are trying to get governments to moved towards a plant based food system because they think that is good for all of us. Not just as a diet, but as a future for the planet.

These protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen.

Animal Rebellion said that the pair took action “to highlight the need to transition to a plant-based food system and a sustainable way of feeding the planet, without exploitation of animals”. No forcing that I can see there.

RichmondPark1

*These protestors would like to force everybody to follow the diet they have chosen.*

Animal Rebellion said that the pair took action “to highlight the need to transition to a plant-based food system and a sustainable way of feeding the planet, without exploitation of animals”. No forcing that I can see there.

No forcing at all, just vegans wasting food that others need. Such a good example to set-and one that band-wagoners would possibly try to emulate, without paying for the produce first.

All those people who need food. Do they generally shop in Fortnum and Masons?

But do others need it Mollygo? It seems many of us are wasting more than a few pints of milk on a shop floor.

"Milk is the third most wasted food and drink product in the UK, after potatoes and bread, with around 490 million pints wasted every year."
www.morrisons-corporate.com/media-centre/corporate-news/morrisons-scrapping-use-by-dates-from-milk-to-help-customers-reduce-waste/

So because some waste it, you condone tipping it out anywhere, even in a ‘posh’ shop like Volver dear mentioned?
Because some waste it, you think others don’t need it?
How strange?

volver

All those people who need food. Do they generally shop in Fortnum and Masons?

Totally irrelevant volver

I’m fed up of people telling me what’s good for me.

Not irrelevant at all GG13

In a thread where people are totally misrepresenting the aims of a demonstration, trying to argue that a carrot isn't vegan, and that vegan is a trade mark, my point is pretty sane.

Who has been deprived because F&M couldn't sell some dairy products? Clue: Nobody.

I haven't condoned the protest in any of my comments or said that people don't need milk because others waste it. I know people need milk (or think they need milk) as for many years I made a living by being part of the milk production industry. 490 million pints of milk wasted every year isn't 'some wasting it' it's a great many of us wasting it a great deal of the time and that's upsetting to see when you work daily alongside the beasts whose lives are devoted to producing the product.

I just wish we could get beyond the 'outrage' and condemnation at the actions coupled with a complete denial of the very valid sentiments behind them.

volver

Not irrelevant at all GG13

In a thread where people are totally misrepresenting the aims of a demonstration, trying to argue that a carrot isn't vegan, and that vegan is a trade mark, my point is pretty sane.

Who has been deprived because F&M couldn't sell some dairy products? Clue: Nobody.

Nobody has said (that I have seen) on here that people were deprived due to the protesters actions.

Just many posts pointing out how wasteful it is to render perfectly good food products inedible, doesn’t help their cause in my opinion.

volver perhaps I should have put quote marks around 'vegan'.

It is a word thought up by people who eschew all animal products to describe who and what they are. and that is entirely reasonable, but once their 'trade mark' is stuck on food. It suggests that the food is exclusive to them, like gluten-free food,

It suggests that the food is something different that will only appeal to them and suggests that entirely plant based food didn't exist until they came along. You do not see food advertised as Vegetarian, or Omnivore, why should food be labelled Vegan. I quite often eat meals that contain no animal products. I have even had days when I haven't eaten any animal based foods. Not by planning or intent but simply because I happened to choose to eat animal product free foods that day.

There is nothing special about food without animal products, so why should they annexe all such foods as being special to them.

Blossoming

I’m fed up of people telling me what’s good for me.

You do not see food advertised as Vegetarian

I don't think that's true. Most menus and supermarkets have vegetarian meals/foods/options/sections and have done for many years. Linda McCartney started a widely advertised vegetarian food company in 1991.

You do not see food advertised as Vegetarian,

Nah. That's wrong. I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan. You see food advertised as "vegetarian" all the time. In shops and cafés and restaurants. This I know for a fact.

If that is your argument for disliking the use of the word vegan you're going to have to come up with a better one.

Sorry Blossoming, I have no idea how I quoted you there. The joy of being human is that you can ignore people telling you what's good for you .

Oh, BTW, gluten free food isn't exclusive to coeliacs. You can eat it if you want.

You see logos and seperate text saying food is suitable for vegetarians, but I buy quite a few plant based products and they rarely say they are vegetarian .

Mind you as a cooker from scratch, I am usually looking at recipes and, again, vegetable based meals rarely say they are specifically vegetarian (or vegan, for that matter). I have recipes, among many others for a 'mushroom and chestnut stew' and a 'mushroom stroganov.' Neither was labelled 'vegan or 'vegetarian.

I assume the recipe devisers assumed that vegans and vegetarians would do what other people do and scan recipes, or backs of packets for the list of ingredients to see if there is anything in the recipe, that they cannot or will not eat.

This is an odd argument, really it is.

Do you ever buy baked beans? They're vegan. I've never met anybody IRL who is fussed either way if the packaging says, or does not say "vegan".

Do you buy jelly? Not usually vegetarian. It might help new vegetarians to know that. They're not labelling it (or not labelling it) to upset you or make a point. Why is this such a big deal?

M0nica

You see logos and seperate text saying food is suitable for vegetarians, but I buy quite a few plant based products and they rarely say they are vegetarian .

Mind you as a cooker from scratch, I am usually looking at recipes and, again, vegetable based meals rarely say they are specifically vegetarian (or vegan, for that matter). I have recipes, among many others for a 'mushroom and chestnut stew' and a 'mushroom stroganov.' Neither was labelled 'vegan or 'vegetarian.

I assume the recipe devisers assumed that vegans and vegetarians would do what other people do and scan recipes, or backs of packets for the list of ingredients to see if there is anything in the recipe, that they cannot or will not eat.

I cook from scratch, know precisely what is in our food. But I also scan food packets for ingredients we don't want to eat on vegan days.

I purchase without relying on the logos.

Really? Carrots are carrots, oats are oats, dried pulses are pulse. that to say lots of food is vegan just because.

Why is this such a big deal? Because you make it such a big deal, Volver dear. That’s why. ??

Mollygo

Why is this such a big deal? Because you make it such a big deal, Volver dear. That’s why. ??

Got anything to add to the debate or just vacuous comments and sneering?

It's ok, you don't have to reply. I think we all know.

Got anything to add to the debate or just vacuous comments and sneering?

Just following your example Volver dear.

It's ok, you don't have to reply. I think we all know.