Tipping out milk in London stores

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People may hold any belief they like, the trouble starts when we act upon our beliefs.

In doing so, we have to make sure we are not breaking the law.
I imagine these protesters had not paid for the milk they emptied out in the shops. So they could surely be charged either with wanton destruction of someone else's property or with theft.

Vegans presumably believe that it is both healther for humans and for the environment if we all stop eating animal-based foodstuff, as they have done.

They have no more right to try to force others to believe this than I have to try to force others to go to Mass every Sunday!

I am vegetarian but would never force anyone to adopt my way of eating. It is a bullying tactic and a waste of food and money.

Nobody's forcing anybody to do anything. You're not being coerced here. Nobody's being bullied.

Oats and nuts do not produce milk. These non milk products are highly processed in factories and use considerable amounts of energy to produce.

grandtanteJE65 People may hold any belief they like, the trouble starts when we act upon our beliefs.
Vegans presumably believe that it is both healthier for humans and for the environment if we all stop eating animal-based foodstuff, as they have done.

Some may think that, we don't. We dislike most animal based foodstuffs, high costs associated with those purchases. Veg is cheaper, simple.

Racingsparrow

Oats and nuts do not produce milk. These non milk products are highly processed in factories and use considerable amounts of energy to produce.

I agree.

We don't buy milk substitutes, serve no purpose, to us.

Water, juice, wine, veg broth typically work well.

I quite agree BlueBelle. I've been a veggie for 40+ years - long before the current Vegan Brigade formed. Over time I've noted that we are a gentler breed, often more likely to apologise to hosts than agressively try to force our own views on others.

Volver’s right. No one is being coerced. We are simply being treated to an example of stupid behaviour and wanton waste by a group who appear to think that stupid behaviour and wanton waste will convince people that they are right.
Line up all those who think stupid behaviour and wanton waste is the way to do it.

Btw, from age 7 lived in farming area with all that that involved but think I was latent vegetarian from that time but loved the taste of meat, so it wasn't until the point nearly 25yrs later when I watched my beloved cat walk across the room and realised that it was just like eating him, that I finally cracked. Mark you, I did become piscatarian for a few years, until the nightly sight of fish in their death throes shown on local Devon tv that my conscience forced me into reluctantly giving up the wild smoked salmon that I had so enjoyed at Christmas. To each his own, ladies.

Lemsip, I saw it and was totally disgusted. I so admired that old man valiantly walking in his garden raising money for the NHS. What right did she have to perform such an odious act. I am a firm believer in freedom of speech but I hate acts of mindless vandalism. I read that her parents were disgusted by her behaviour.

I agree that we all need to be much more aware of our carbon footprint, and think of the future for our grandkids, and some foods are better than others, but this is not the way forward at all. In fact it just gets people's backs up and then they dig in their heels. Nobody likes to be told what to do by the 'hollier that thou'.

Milk from extensively farmed, grass fed cows locally, is the 'greenest'. Many of the veg substitute milks, e.g . almond, contribute much more CO2 to climate warming. Intensively farmed cows are also terrible emitters.

Neolithic farming (extensive) did not cause global warming!

Veganism tends to result in B12 & iron deficiency after a couple of years and the replacement supplements have a high carbon footprint.

I think the protest is more about 'animal rights'...or lack of them. A voice for those without one. How do you think livestock would protest if they were able? Would cows hold up a banner saying 'Please don't keep impregnating me so you can repeatedly steal my babies for their milk'. Or a sheep say 'Please don't make me chase the big man who has stolen my newborn baby for you to eat - I haven't even been able to clean the afterbirth from him yet ' I think they are passionate about stopping the suffering of animals but don't agree with some of the methods they use including this one. I am a vegan, I am not an activist type, I just take care of my own conscience.

It was a waste of milk and the stores would probably have had to have new carpets. A few weeks ago after going shopping we had some milk spilt in the back of our car. Even though we felt that we cleaned it thoroughly the next time we used our car it smelled as if a baby's dirty nappy had been left in it for days. We had to clean the floor and mats several times and also leave lots of air fresheners in the car. I think that those large areas of carpet would have been awful to clean and get rid of the smell.

They have no right to enforce their views and lifestyle on anyone else. I do not demand that they eat animal products therefore they should be fined for the damage and waste of precious milk - perhaps also they should make recompense to those who have to rely on charity in order to eat.

I would be sad for the poor cow who had been milked for that milk

I feel the same when i buy meat/eggs. An animal has give me that food so it has to be eaten. It should not be wasted

They have no right to enforce their views and lifestyle on anyone else.

That's not what they're doing. ?

To quote Volver up thread
they are trying to get governments to moved towards a plant based food system because they think that is good for all of us

And if we don’t agree? As I said, I’m sick of people telling me what’s good for me. I can decide for myself.

Blossoming

To quote Volver up thread
they are trying to get governments to moved towards a plant based food system because they think that is good for all of us

And if we don’t agree? As I said, I’m sick of people telling me what’s good for me. I can decide for myself.

That's fair enough. But why on earth do people on here think they are being personally targeted and bullied into eating quorn? Guilty conscience?

I'm joining your fan club, Urmstongran!

No one is forced into eating Queen, though one DD did try. I could happily have dropped it in a wantonly wasteful manner, but unlike the protesting vegans I have more sense.

Queen= quorn-I shouldn’t have given it a capital letter!

My younger daughter's veganism has caused a terrible rift in the family. We found her some years ago secretly trying to persuade her eight year old niece not to eat meat, fish or dairy. Up to then my Granddaughter had amazed us all with her fondness for trying different foods.

It became impossible to have a meal of any sort with her as she would point at my food and comment over and over about the reasons for not eating it. She then became a fervent conspiracy theorist, laughing at me when I spoke about the massacre of tiny children at Sandy Hook Elementary school.

I feel for you albertina. It’s the attitude and now actions of some vegans that puts me off , besides not liking a lot of vegan multi processed products.