The case against ID cards

When living in Spain I had an ID card complete with finger prints and phot ......as I did in France. I see no probem with this unless you have something to hide !!!! the only problem I DO see is people faking them ............in my opinion they would be an EXCELLENT idea to identify anyone who is not entitled to be in the UK, and receive health care, etc etc for nothing !

I totally agree, we are moving into a very dystopian world akin to 1984. They actually want the chip in YOU, no need for a card. Resist!!

I'm not in favour of mandatory ID cards but if people want one if they have no other means of identification then they should be able to request one.
I feel that there is far too much of my privacy eroded already without adding something else.

I think you will find that the government, if it so wishes, can track you anyway.

To all those people saying "if you have nothing to hide..." , one of the following is true:

Either you haven't bothered reading the posts that explain why this is such a terrible thing to say, and you are the kind of person who thinks anybody who is not happy to be subjected to a government attempt to control the population must be some kind of bad guy.

Or, you think that making fun of a person who cares about human rights in the UK, is jolly good sport.

Either way....not very attractive thinking.

BTW I don't subscribe to the microchipping paranoia. Now, there's a conspiracy theory 🙄

volver there is a man in one of the scandi countries who has had a chip implanted in his hand it’s how he pays for things.

It was on the morning news a few weeks ago.

Sweden started it I think. It's used all over now.

I'd have one.

Because contrary to public opinion I'm not paranoid about having my data online.

Or, you think that making fun of a person who cares about human rights in the UK, is jolly good sport.

I’ve not made fun of anybody ,
do you mean people who don’t want ID cards even though it would help other people?

not very attractive thinking.

volver

growstuff

volver You could also throw away your birth certificate and utility bills along with your driving licence, but you'd find it quite difficult to prove your ID, if you applied for a job, wanted to open a bank account or apply for benefits or wanted to rent a property. A single ID card could make it easier to do those things without having to send off a pack of ID documents.

I agree that I'd want to know what its purpose would be and I'd want the government to be accountable for future uses, but not having an ID card doesn't deter the government from introducing draconian laws anyway.

But having an ID card would make it easier for them.

I don't agree with handing over my ability to have the kind of identity document I feel happy with just to make my life a bit easier when I have to open a bank account.

It seems to me we have lost all sense of proportion here.

Is it possible that you might have lost all sense of proportion here?

Is this what's known as a pile-on?

Asking for a friend. 😊

This thread has made me realise I don't want an ID card

Volver,
Are you the sort of person who always has to have the last word? Asking for a friend

Never wanted one. I'd never carry one.

Would it bother you if I was?

What's that got to do with ID cards?

JaneJudge

This thread has made me realise I don't want an ID card

Can I ask why JaneJudge?

Coco51

I think you will find that the government, if it so wishes, can track you anyway.

They can certainly track your mobile phone but I don’t think many on Gransnet are of interest to Special Branch.

volver

JaneJudge

This thread has made me realise I don't want an ID card

Can I ask why JaneJudge?

because I feel like I am monitored enough. I hadn't really thought about it before this thread but since the pandemic I am using cards to pay for things instead of cash, so the bank has been monitoring me too and it's a good job they have as someone cloned my card and luckily they intercepted it but the bank know where I am, where I am spending money, whether I have driven 200 miles to se my Mum, whether I've booked to go away, had new clothes...

I am just using the bank as an example

My earlier post regarding google is sort of the same. Not that I will murder someone but it is clear we are being monitored and profiled and I find it a bit disturbing

I most probably sound a bit woo now

Katie59

Coco51

I think you will find that the government, if it so wishes, can track you anyway.

They can certainly track your mobile phone but I don’t think many on Gransnet are of interest to Special Branch.

that isn't even true though, some people might be

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They have the info in all the government systems Europeans carry them. I fail to see what the problem is.

My husband has been asked for ID on various occasions. He still has his Spanish Residencia in his wallet and has presented this saying "Will this do?" The number of people who say, "oh yeh, that's great, I don't know why we don't have something like that"

Volver, what does the SNP leader think about ID cards? If you get a referendum and the Scottish people want independence then you probably are worrying unnecessarily. Any time you visit England if we have ID cards then you can just use your Scots Passport if needed.

I knew it would be you stirring up the proverbial on ID cards. Even without them there is a lot of kerfuffle when visiting some countries overseas. Australia and USA are quite stern and even entering St Lucia I have been given the once over because I had not booked a return ticket.

Anyway, I understand many of the countries in the EU have compulsory ID cards and as the majority of GRANSNET active users want to rejoin surely ID cards will not be a problem. Somebody mentioned yellow stars which Jews wore under the Nazis. I thought it was poor taste to bring those horrors up. If you really believe that could happen in the UK then I despair.

Never mind, the Tories have worn out their appeal to voters and deservedly so. Soon we will have a great Labour government who will soon solve our economic problems. So we shall see how we get on after the Conservatives leave government.

Thanks JaneJudge, that's very interesting.

volver

Is this what's known as a pile-on?

Asking for a friend. 😊

I'd certainly knock all the breath out of your body if I did.

Is that an actual physical threat icanhandthemback? That's a first.