Where are you from? Is it an insult?

This is also on the web
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aZEbJcauH4

tickingbird

^To your daughter:^

Yes but where do you really come from?

How long have you been here?

I can see I'm going to have trouble getting you to answer this

What part of China do you come from?

Offended yet?

(I'm offended at just writing those things down.

Doctoring the facts to suit your narrative again Volver?

She didn’t ask how long she’d been here.

There’s another video doing the rounds with Marlene/Ngozi in leather trousers, tight fitting top, explaining to some kids she dresses to suit the occasion. The mind boggles as to why a British woman of Caribbean descent would choose to dress like an African woman to visit the palace to hear the Duchess of Cornwall speak about her work with abused women? I wonder if she was inviting comment - Bingo! She gets it. Doesn’t get Camilla but got an 83 yr old lady in waiting instead. So sly and just plain nasty.

Oh dear! Unbelievable

MissAdventure

You know; Sharon's sister!

Tracy?

Growstuff

No, she's not "from" Barbados.

Why did you have to pile one smear on top of another?

There’s racism right there!! What’s wrong with being from Barbados? Unbelievable!

Irrelevant comment:

Meredith
I love that name

tickingbird

Growstuff

No, she's not "from" Barbados.

Why did you have to pile one smear on top of another?

There’s racism right there!! What’s wrong with being from Barbados? Unbelievable!

I'm enjoying this now.

How unhinged can we get? On your marks, get set....

What a horrible woman that Nana seems to be.

Who’s Nana?

To answer the question posed in the title of this thread, no, it's not an insult to ask someone where they are from. However, a lot depends on context, who is doing the asking and who is being asked. What doesn't seem to have been addressed is the issue of privilege and power. If I asked someone of colour where they came from, I might cause offence, they might tell me it's none of my business or they might quite happily discuss their heritage, actually I know better than to ask but I doubt I'd make headline news if I did. However, for someone representing the RF to ask that question to a guest at a reception at Buck palace is most definitely an issue. The RF represents power and privilege and it is the power and privilege underpinning racism which leads to lack of equality and opportunity. I feel this has been rather lost in this thread. Try reversing this conversation and add in the moving of hair to get a look at the name tag and I think it may help us all to appreciate fully why it's been widely reported. Do you remember when Michelle Obama touched the queen? There was a bit of a shock horror reaction even though MO was married to the president of the USA. As I said in another thread, I thought NF's reaction was a bit OTT, abuse, violence?? But, the situation should not have happened in the first place and the RF need to rethink who they use to support these types of events and they need to be properly trained.

MissAdventure

What a horrible woman that Nana seems to be.

I've missed Nana, who is she?

MissAdventure

What a horrible woman that Nana seems to be.

Why is she horrible?
She is expressing her opinion.

Why is she horrible?
She is expressing her opinion.

Who is she though?

I dunno! I thought that's what her name said on the screen.

The one giving forth about it all.

She can express as many opinions as she wants - it doesn't mean I have to like her.

tickingbird

^Why is she horrible?^
She is expressing her opinion.

Who is she though?

She's a presenter/reporter on GN News; the channel for the politically correct.

SporeRB

To answer Sago’s question, it depends how comfortable you are in your own skin.

Myself (not white, not British) and my daughter (mixed race, British), if someone asks us ‘ Which country are you from?’, we do not find it offensive, insulting or intrusive and I will definitely not write that person off as a racist bigot.

My daughter will simply say ‘My mum comes from x country, my dad from London but we have an Irish surname.’

I just returned from the Far East visiting family and friends. One or two of the local taxi drivers asked me the same question since my accent has changed and I no longer sound like the locals.

As for the incident at RF, in my opinion, it is a set up. Now that the Queen has die, all gloves are off! And it is going to get nasty. Someone (the one who shall not be named) is trying to stop the Coronation from taking place.

Thank you for such an interesting response.
As the UK becomes more and more diverse I think we should be talking to each other, we cannot be frightened of offending.

As a white person the only time I experienced any racial discomfort was in Ireland, I got a lecture on Irish history, Michael Collins, the b*****d English landlords, the whole nine yards!
Thankfully the bar owner intervened and told the woman I was Irish.
Immediately she said “ Ah who are your people?”
She then spent ages asking how my cousins were.

If only she had asked me where I was from instead of assuming!

The situation should not have arisen but I do think the lady in question over reacted.
Speaking generally, I have always believed that some people want to be offended.

icanhandthemback

tickingbird

Why is she horrible?
She is expressing her opinion.

Who is she though?

She's a presenter/reporter on GN News; the channel for the politically correct.

Oh Nana!

Yes, she is horrible.

growstuff

grannygranby

Ngozi Fulani was born Marlene Headley to parents Meredith and Gladstone. Her sister is called Sharon.
She was brought up in Kilburn not Hackney.
She runs a one person charity and paid herself £65k with £150k of expenses undetailed in the accounts which have not been filed for 3 years.
She is “from” Barbados but dresses in full African clothing with an adopted Nigerian name.
You can see why she doesn’t want to answer the question where she is from because to do so would expose her hypocrisy and cultural appropriation.

No, she's not "from" Barbados.

Why did you have to pile one smear on top of another?

The accounts were filed every year. And a Charity Commission audit which identified no issues

She is not from Barbados.

Dear Me!!

VioletSky

I absolutely applaud women who stand up and draw attention to racism.

It's distinctly odd to me how many people just don't agree it is happening.

Of course even having access to the media and having a following still doesn't always mean that victims are believed...

I wonder why people wouldn't believe them and would accuse them of a publicity stunt for drawing attention to an issue many face?

It makes no sense to me

Who hasn't agreed it is happening. I can only repeat two things that are of equal importance.

1) There is racism in the UK
2) We are in a process of change

Through this whole thread. Through the whole other thread.

People saying it's not racism.

That will do for me DaisyAnne — there is racism in the uk and we are in a process of change.
Straight forward, summarises where we are. Change can be a real challenge, it’s most effective if those involved welcome change and can reach some consensus about the way forward

Imagine, trying to organise the posters here 😇

icanhandthemback

tickingbird

Why is she horrible?
She is expressing her opinion.

Who is she though?

She's a presenter/reporter on GN News; the channel for the politically correct.

I've never heard of her.

volver

Through this whole thread. Through the whole other thread.

People saying it's not racism.

Moving someone's hair is not racism. It is wrong for anyone and everyone.

Classism, then? Is there such an ism?