Where are you from? Is it an insult?

So do you not think it was racism either DaisyAnne?

The hair bit was quite incidental IMO, but definitely culturally inappropriate.

The she got going on the really racist bit. Probably didn't mean to be racist, but racist she was.

DaisyAnne

volver

Through this whole thread. Through the whole other thread.

People saying it's not racism.

Moving someone's hair is not racism. It is wrong for anyone and everyone.

Yes, it is.

I'm just so disappointed

Icanhandthemback

She's a presenter/reporter on GN News; the channel for the politically correct. confused

Thanks. I’m not aware of her but do watch GBNews in the mornings.

I think I got my wires crossed.
Apologies.

VioletSky

I'm just so disappointed

Why? We have come such a long way. We have done a great deal. We were never going to go to sleep and wake up in the morning and find it all sorted.

We have to work towards a consensus that is generally accepted. Neither the racist nor the single-issue race protester will or should hold sway. They are minorities. Eventually, the extremists will have to understand the majority want the best we can do and stop beating people up because they are not perfect. I don't remember a time in history when everyone obeyed the then-current "this is the rule" view of how we should behave. If we did reach a time when we become forced to do so, we would be no better than Iraq or Afghanistan.

We accept the best we can do in exchange for not being like those countries. Meanwhile, we work towards the generally accepted "better".

volver

So do you not think it was racism either DaisyAnne?

The hair bit was quite incidental IMO, but definitely culturally inappropriate.

The she got going on the really racist bit. Probably didn't mean to be racist, but racist she was.

Please do not put words into my mouth or my posts volver.

I asked you a question DaisyAnne, I didn't put words in your mouth.

Go and pick your fight somewhere else volver. I am not interested.

Ok. I'll steer clear.

Idk

I was very aware of casual racism when I was young

But now I see more of it again and it's so much more covert and sinister

Why do people who are hurt by racism need to compromise?

It’s really not hard to not do or say racist things. To apologise if you screw up. To be anti racist.

By saying both sides need to compromise and to essentially say there are hood and bad people on both sides, completely undermines any anti racist steps people take.

This is so disheartening how many people refuse to listen. To see how some actions might be wrong. Instead they get defensive and dig in.

Racism is well and truly alive in the U.K., if the amount of online abuse this woman has received is anything to go by.

Summerlove, exactly.

Which woman, the old one or the young one ? Both were abused.

Which woman, the old one or the young one ? Both were abused.

The difference is the old one hasn’t said a word on social media.

I agree with you. To me it didn’t smack of racism. If someone had persisted in asking me questions like that I think I could cope and perhaps say to my nearest and dearest “what a nosy old bat”. I wouldn’t have dreamed of putting it out there for the press to get their teeth into.

Summerlove

Why do people who are hurt by racism need to compromise?

It’s really not hard to not do or say racist things. To apologise if you screw up. To be anti racist.

By saying both sides need to compromise and to essentially say there are hood and bad people on both sides, completely undermines any anti racist steps people take.

This is so disheartening how many people refuse to listen. To see how some actions might be wrong. Instead they get defensive and dig in.

Why do people who are hurt by racism need to compromise?

Obviously, that was not what I said. However, we all need to compromise. Why? Because, at its extreme, the lack of compromise leads to war. Even at its least extreme, a lack of ability to compromise leads to an inability to move forward.

I have just been reading my granddaughter's end-of-year school report. One of the modules she did was called "The same, the same but different". It investigated "the diverse nature of the Australian population, recognising and celebrating our differences".

I think a few of the most extremely inclined Grannies on GN could do with such a course. It really can never be a case that only one, self-defined group, matters. We do all have to live together; to find a way to do so there have to be concessions from everyone.

(By the way, you are another person who re-interpreted what I said to ask a very biased question in an attempt to discredit my character. I will start report these if it happens again. It is slanderous.)

vegansrock

Racism is well and truly alive in the U.K., if the amount of online abuse this woman has received is anything to go by.

Why do you keep needing to say this? No one, not at person, is saying it doesn't. However, that is only one part of the problem. I will keep repeating these two truths as you seem prepared to ignore one of them:

1) There is racism in the UK
2) We are in a process of change

tickingbird

^Which woman, the old one or the young one ? Both were abused.^

The difference is the old one hasn’t said a word on social media.

And you have to ask why this has been blown up out of all proportion. As was asked on the other thread. What exactly do people want to happen to SH? What more can be done to her. Nothing will turn the clock back and she has lost much of what she valued in her life.

Seriously those of your who are continuing this. What more do you want?

DaisyAnne

tickingbird

Which woman, the old one or the young one ? Both were abused.

The difference is the old one hasn’t said a word on social media.

And you have to ask why this has been blown up out of all proportion. As was asked on the other thread. What exactly do people want to happen to SH? What more can be done to her. Nothing will turn the clock back and she has lost much of what she valued in her life.

Seriously those of your who are continuing this. What more do you want?

For the royal family to work on weeding out the racism in and surrounding them.

The tax payer pays for them. Many of those tax payers are not white. If the RF is to continue, it needs to work for all British citizens. Not just for the wealthy white ones.

I just thought I'd pop this reference in for Bunty and others asking, "why is it racist". it's written in the US, but same points made.

There also has to be a difference between those who work as representatives of the UK, in public life, and personal life. If an elderly person I knew voiced racist views, I might try to gently engage them, but not expose them as such.

And btw, its a bit agist to say, "oh well but she IS 83?' Now come on, gransnetters, now that is offensive, unless the person clearly has dementia or similar!

www.rd.com/article/stop-asking-people-of-color-where-theyre-from/

They showed they are doing just that GagaJo. What more do you want to stop you from talking about this event?

Prejudice is only real and only matters to you if it is to do with being non "white". What seems to be an attack on people who are white because they are white (you keep defining them in that way) doesn't seem to strike you as racist.

Taxpayers come in all sorts. Whatever their colour or culture, all are entitled to a view of the RF. We tend to like decisions made by majorities, not pressure groups.

It is not and never will be all about one group. Of course, we should aim to treat people as equals - all people. If you keep moving the goalposts, however, and coming up with another sin others can commit, some will always be perceived to fail to come up to the new standard - however multicultural and tolerant they are.

People who take things to extremes for one group and one group only cannot be called egalitarian. They are not interested in equality for all.

The thing is that there is a difference between being prejudice and being racist.

Prejudice is unhelpful stereotypes.

Whereas racism is actual oppression.

Some groups of white people have experienced racism and oppression but the vast majority of white people have not faced racism or oppression due to race.

Most white people will nit be turned down for a job or a tenancy or be treated unfairly due to their race.

So while neither are acceptable, it's not a competition most white people should enter and not an experience they can relate too