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Doodle Tue 17-Jan-23 11:40:44

I confess I find the whole pronoun thing difficult to understand. I can cope with the he/his she/her. I have difficulty with they as I think of the word as plural.
Today in an article I came across ze/zir and wondered why people would use these terms and and what they meant.

Looking up neopronouns I discover that a neopronoun is a word that can be created to serve as a pronoun.
For example bun/bunself or kitten/kittenself,
If someone used bun/bunself would they be upset if others referred to them as they/themself? I’m lost.

Glorianny Tue 24-Jan-23 19:23:27

Rosie51

No response to me then Glorianny? Thought not, sauce for the goose never equates to sauce for the gander with you does it?

Sorry Rosie51 been out and only just read your post.

Your answer I think is perfectly acceptable.
I don't understand why"Where does she surf ?" is rude but then good manners for one person differs from another's.
I don't see anything wrong in women wanting to explain to a transwoman how they feel. I just don't know many who would want to do so.

Now I'm off this thread. Some of the people who reduce everything to trans issues, purely so they can castigate trans people have begun their usual rants,. No point in discussing with such entrenched views.

FarNorth Tue 24-Jan-23 21:57:58

Glorianny

Oh dear now non-binary people are a threat to society!
Who knew??? I must take care not to meet any more of them.
Maybe they will take over the world!!!
Maybe they will stop children identifying and classifying people by gender norms.
Maybe you won't be able to tell who is a boy by what they are wearing!
Maybe boys will wear make up and jewellery but we won't know they are boys.
Maybe girls will wear trousers and shirts and look like boys. Maybe the gender norms which restrict our society will be overwhelmed by non-binary people.
But hang on!!! isn't that what some people want? A society where people are treated equally? A society where gender isn't an issue. Ah well back to the drawing board grin confused

You remember how we used to have a polite agreement about toilets & changing rooms, so that people used the correct ones for their sex?
And a polite agreement for things like women-only self-defence classes or women-only creative writing groups or women-only swimming sessions, so that men didn't turn up to those things?
Why can't we still have that, regardless of how people look?
It would involve some trust, of course, if we genuinely can't tell which sex someone is by looking at them but it wouldn't involve obviously male people insisting on being accepted as if they are women.

How about single-sex hospital wards and single-sex prisons? It's very unlikely that those in charge of such places don't know the sex of people they are dealing with, however they present themselves.

A few pages back, on this thread, Glorianny, you said 'No-one is talking about changing sex' but that's exactly what is being claimed - that people are the sex they choose and society should be organised around their choices.

Instead, imo, people should present however they like, as you say, and should be honest about which sex they are when it's important.

Mollygo Tue 24-Jan-23 22:22:24

VS
JKR might well think you’re a bit woowoo as you put it, but do you think it’s right to attributed things to her that she has never said and that you don’t even know if she’s thought?

VioletSky Tue 24-Jan-23 22:44:09

Molly

I don't play the twisting words to my own advantage game

It's just not for me

Mollygo Tue 24-Jan-23 23:15:24

VioletSky

Molly

I don't play the twisting words to my own advantage game

It's just not for me

All the time VS. You just did.

Doodledog Tue 24-Jan-23 23:22:02

Instead, imo, people should present however they like, as you say, and should be honest about which sex they are when it's important.

FN for president!

That's all most of us are after. I keep saying that I couldn't care less if men want to 'present as' women, even though IME women present very differently from one another. I'm not interested in restricting people's options where they don't harm others.

What I do object to is men saying that they are women, and to changes in the law, custom and practice and the language to compel people to collude in this fiction.

VioletSky Tue 24-Jan-23 23:41:00

Molly

Whatever makes you happy

doodledog

We will discuss when you become all powerful and may write into law what is essentially a belief system that is unproven

Until then I will leave it to those looking for genuine equality and best practise for the treatment and inclusion of those with gender dysphoria

*yawn

I'm going to hate me when I'm tired tomorrow

Must stop looking at these threads lol

Mollygo Tue 24-Jan-23 23:50:44

VioletSky

Molly

Whatever makes you happy.
VS
Your inability to reply always makes me happy-or it would if I really expected coherent answers from you.

Doodledog Wed 25-Jan-23 09:10:56

VioletSky

Molly

Whatever makes you happy

doodledog

We will discuss when you become all powerful and may write into law what is essentially a belief system that is unproven

Until then I will leave it to those looking for genuine equality and best practise for the treatment and inclusion of those with gender dysphoria

*yawn

I'm going to hate me when I'm tired tomorrow

Must stop looking at these threads lol

Eh? I don’t know what you are talking about.

‘When I am all powerful’? Write into law?

I’m not remotely interested in power, and I don’t need to write anything into law - the law clearly states that a belief in sex being absolute is a protected one. It is, in fact, you who is ignoring the law!

‘Lol’ as much as you like - the law is very clear on that.