Why oh why is there so much hate

I based my comment on the fact her friends said she had been bullied for being trans for a very long time, and the fact that the DM had found out her male name from opticians.

Her killing may not be related to the fact she was trans, but you have no proof of that either, despite what the police say. How can the stabbing of a teenager by other teenagers not be a 'hate' crime? So, yes, I am prepared to say her death may not be related to her trans status. As a friend, as a parent, mourning her tragic and cruel death- I would have liked her deep wishes about her gender to be respected. The very fact many here say 'it just does not matter' is an indication of lack of respect, and possibly more.

This is a discussion about hate and violence, I have already clearly said I'm not interested in a trans discussion

I'm interested in what motivates hate speech amd violence and how to combat it

Hence my reply because clearly people still engage in hate speech despite apparently being aware of what it is

Police have declared it was a "targeted attack" Fleur so yes her identity could be a factor

I would have thought they are withholding those thoughts until evidenced as the current climate is volatile as we can see

VioletSky

We don't have "freedom of speech* in the UK GG

That's the US

We have Individual Liberty, which goes along with Tolerance and Respect.

So no, we don't have "freedom of speech" which is why we have laws about hate speech.

Now that is taught in primary school, yes

Human rights act 1998 Article 10 explains clearly the freedom of speech and opinions in the U.K.

If you care to Google you can find it in full.

It's "freedom of expression" which comes under Individual Liberty and because people have a right to Tolerance and Respect we have laws defining Hate speech which means people are not at liberty to ignore others rights to tolerance and respect

The thing in Liverpool was started because one of the immigrants was asking a 15yr for sex and she said it’s against the law in this country and ppl are concerned for their daughters grandkids as for the knife crime that is something that started a few years ago and it’s getting worse everyday a child is getting killed by a child if we allow ppl in our country who carrying weapons is a way of life then of course it’s going to take over here it’s got to get worse before it gets better

VioletSky

Police have declared it was a "targeted attack" Fleur so yes her identity could be a factor

I would have thought they are withholding those thoughts until evidenced as the current climate is volatile as we can see

Do you have any links to that?

Hate it was, for sure.

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VioletSky

It's "freedom of expression" which comes under Individual Liberty and because people have a right to Tolerance and Respect we have laws defining Hate speech which means people are not at liberty to ignore others rights to tolerance and respect

Which is why in my post upthread I said that freedom of speech comes with responsibilities.

Description of Article 10

I'm struggling as there are so many more newer stories Fleur

I will try again but the police are now investigating if this was a hate crime according to Sky News

news.sky.com/story/brianna-ghey-trans-teenager-stabbed-to-death-could-have-been-targeted-in-hate-crime-police-say-12810856

They are also clearly stating that speculation on line is not helpful. Its difficult but it's also important to remember the alleged assailants are also children.

Here Fleur

No paywall

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brianna-ghey-police-admit-fatal-29215321

"Maybe hatred of others is inbred" that would be inbred English hatred, why of course So boringly predictable the undisguised veiled anti English sentiments, imagine how YOU would react if anyone were to infer there could possibly be an inbred Scottish hatred!

"GG" it clearly says freedom of expression under the heading "freedom of speech"

We have freedom of expression which comes under Indovidual Liberty and yes it comes with many many limitations GDPR being another example

And limitations on speech always in the end impact the most vulnerable groups.

VioletSky

"GG" it clearly says freedom of expression under the heading "freedom of speech"

We have freedom of expression which comes under Indovidual Liberty and yes it comes with many many limitations GDPR being another example

Is not speech a form of expression?

Just because people say "freedom of speech" so often now, usually wailed by those who want to say mean things, doesn't mean that's the actual term for it

I mean, I don't care, it's a pointless reason to argue GG I was just saying

When gay people were campaigning for rights much of the speech they used was considered dangerous and offensive. Were they saying mean things?

Even where I live, a small community of 120 houses, mainly families there is violence by children. One family had to call police as 10 year old daughter was being bullied and eventually assaulted by group of girls aged 10 /12. There is no deprivation in fact quite the opposite in the area. The kids are out on electric scooters and go-carts and you daren't ask them to move out of the way when on the pavement. You can just hear the stock comments the adults give them when the kids talk back. You should move out of the way I'm a child, I have rights, what are you going to do about it, I'm not speaking to you in case of stranger danger. Society has lost an element of taking responsibility, it's always someone else's fault and job to sort it out. Social media is being ruled out in the case of the young girl even though she was an influencer on TikTok.

VioletSky
The Mirror article you linked stated that it May have been a hate crime
Keep looking. Your bound to find something that suits yours and Fleurpeppers agenda.

Galaxy

When gay people were campaigning for rights much of the speech they used was considered dangerous and offensive. Were they saying mean things?

When I was campaigning for my rights as LGBT I never did in any way utter any hate speech or have in prejudice against any other group galaxy

Did I call people names? Probably told them to get lost in less polite terms

But mostly I called them closed minded, illogical, backwards, oppressive, prejudiced and discriminatory

I can't speak for anyone else

MerylStreep

VioletSky
The Mirror article you linked stated that it May have been a hate crime
Keep looking. Your bound to find something that suits yours and Fleurpeppers agenda.

What are you talking about? I have in no way stated any thoughts about whether this was a hate crime anywhere at all

I'm waiting for the outcome of the investigation

TerriBull

"Maybe hatred of others is inbred" that would be inbred English hatred, why of course So boringly predictable the undisguised veiled anti English sentiments, imagine how YOU would react if anyone were to infer there could possibly be an inbred Scottish hatred!

There does seem to be generational hatred of the English passed down in some Scots families, alongside sectarian hatred of other Scots.

My grandfather told me some terrible tales of Orange marches in his home city of Glasgow, of bricks being thrown and whole streets being involved in riots. He remembers hiding under a table with his siblings and his mother during one particularly memorable march which had escalated to a free for all.

It was a shock to me, as an English child, that he could tell Catholics and Protestants apart simply from their names and where they lived (he claimed to be able to spot the difference by looking at someone, but I remain unconvinced on that score), as that was not something that applied in my world. Nor did 'no Blacks, no Irish or dogs' to be fair, but that may have been a generational thing - I never saw rooms advertised as being to rent at all.

Anyway, I don't think that bigotry is confined to England in the UK - it's pretty clear to me that none of the home nations can claim righteousness on that score.

VioletSky

Here Fleur

No paywall

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brianna-ghey-police-admit-fatal-29215321

Thank you. So I was wrong to 'assume' it was, others were certainly wrong to assume it was not. My post was never meant to divert this thread. Let's wait, I shall comment no further, apart from saying, again, that hate it was, and that her wishes were important and should be respected, even it it seems unimportant to some.