The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

AskAlice

Genuine question, not intended to cause offence. When my babies were baptised oil wasn't used, nor was it used at my GCs christenings. The cross was made on their foreheads with water from the font - is it different with other Christian religions? We are C of E.

I’m an atheist so not well versed in these matters, but I have attended a number of church christenings and I think that in the RC ceremony there is an ‘anointing with chrism’ which is an oil. Have I remembered rightly?

I feel sad about all religions' emphasis on symbols and "magic" as it flies in the face of the hard work of scientists for generations.

I am delighted with religions that practice what they preach and do good in their communities - as long as it is without strings.

Having faith and being a scientist are not mutually exclusive Luckygirl. Can you give examples of the symbols and magic you've referred too?

Absolutely Smileless
One of my best friend’s wife is a GP and he is a psychotherapist.
They are both devout Catholics.
He once said to me that science teaches us that there is so much that is unknown

Luckygirl3

I feel sad about all religions' emphasis on symbols and "magic" as it flies in the face of the hard work of scientists for generations.

I am delighted with religions that practice what they preach and do good in their communities - as long as it is without strings.

Are you speaking of Transubstantiation? Or Rosary?

Or what could you be referencing?

Norah

Luckygirl3

I feel sad about all religions' emphasis on symbols and "magic" as it flies in the face of the hard work of scientists for generations.

I am delighted with religions that practice what they preach and do good in their communities - as long as it is without strings.

Are you speaking of Transubstantiation? Or Rosary?

Or what could you be referencing?

Symbols - like the Cross?

Or the fish?

Magic?
Some Christians look on magic as evil and denounce it.

Callistemon21

Norah

Luckygirl3

I feel sad about all religions' emphasis on symbols and "magic" as it flies in the face of the hard work of scientists for generations.

I am delighted with religions that practice what they preach and do good in their communities - as long as it is without strings.

Are you speaking of Transubstantiation? Or Rosary?

Or what could you be referencing?

Symbols - like the Cross?

Or the fish?

Right.

I was focused on "magic" - in the eye of the believer.

Blossoming

AskAlice

Genuine question, not intended to cause offence. When my babies were baptised oil wasn't used, nor was it used at my GCs christenings. The cross was made on their foreheads with water from the font - is it different with other Christian religions? We are C of E.

I’m an atheist so not well versed in these matters, but I have attended a number of church christenings and I think that in the RC ceremony there is an ‘anointing with chrism’ which is an oil. Have I remembered rightly?

Yes you have, Blossoming.

Some Anglican churches anoint with oil at a baptism too.

Grandma70s

It’s interesting. I suspect postwar Britain was much poorer than today, but I don’t remember anyone saying the Coronation was a waste of money, or indeed talking about the cost at all. People just weren’t so money-minded then.

Oh No, we just knew our place so much better in the fifties.

The rich men in the castle, etc and we others at the gate, touching our forelocks.

Elizabeths coronation used to take our minds of the austerities of those post war years.

They are hoping this coronation will take our minds of fuel and food prices, etc. etc. this time round.

Oh yes, at times of austerity let's have a Coronation 😀
It keeps the plebs in order, reminds them of their place.

There was no internet in the 50s, people were much less informed.

What nonsense Franbern. A coronation takes place following the death of the previous monarch. Not to take anyone’s mind off anything.

Sir Horace Evans killed King George so the country could have a coronation?

Did he? Wow! 😱

How else could a coronation be planned for a convenient time?

I am extremely interested in science, if it wasn’t for medical science I wouldn’t be here.

I have faith one does not exclude the other.

That doesn't make sense Franbern.
So the Queen just conveniently died at the right time so that the coronation could just happen at the right time to take our minds off our problems!

Well I guess an example of magic might be the consecration of oil. For some that has supernatural (i.e. magic) meaning.

The concept of consecrated oil is no madder than the concept of holy water.

Franbern

Grandma70s

It’s interesting. I suspect postwar Britain was much poorer than today, but I don’t remember anyone saying the Coronation was a waste of money, or indeed talking about the cost at all. People just weren’t so money-minded then.

Oh No, we just knew our place so much better in the fifties.

The rich men in the castle, etc and we others at the gate, touching our forelocks.

Elizabeths coronation used to take our minds of the austerities of those post war years.

They are hoping this coronation will take our minds of fuel and food prices, etc. etc. this time round.

I agree with Franbern.

After all this time people are better educated and have more access to the wider world - would it not be odd for people NOT to question why one family are just BORN to be royal?
Or why resources earned by those ordinary people should be spent on that royal family's celebrations while the people paying are cold, hungry and even homeless?

If they really must, they could take a small measure of olive oil and bless it. Likewise, a bottle of tap water, blessed by a priest ,would become holy water. Not that I care too hoots!

Jaberwok

Mumbo Jumbo? Again why is it that only the Christian faith is derided and sneered at, while other faiths, and their traditions are respected, tolerated and of course never questioned or queried, quite rightly so too, but try being a Christian and,God forbid wear a symbol that advertises your faith, and you lay yourself wide open for ridicule. Burn a bible and no one cares, ,burn the Quran? prepare for religious wrath!

I agree with what you say Jaberwok. As you will be aware, it was prophesied that this is how it would be and boy is that prophecy coming true these days.

Grandma70s

The concept of consecrated oil is no madder than the concept of holy water.

Well quite.

Mumbo Jumbo? Again why is it that only the Christian faith is derided and sneered at, while other faiths, and their traditions are respected, tolerated and of course never questioned or queried, quite rightly so too, but try being a Christian and,God forbid wear a symbol that advertises your faith, and you lay yourself wide open for ridicule. Burn a bible and no one cares, ,burn the Quran? prepare for religious wrath

Well no doubt many of my Moslem and Hindu neighbours on this estate indulge in what I would regard as religious mumbo jumbo but they are not requiring a lavish public ceremony at my expense and about which I was not consulted.