The consecrated oil for King's Coronation

We are still officially a Christian country and the Monarch is head of the state and the church. The new monarch is traditionally crowned in a ceremony on religious premises.

Whether biglouis has been consulted or not.

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The Church of England is the Established Church in England.

biglouis how do you know what your neighbours think? Unless you know their views that is disingenuous and a sweeping statement with no foundation.

The funeral of Queen Elizabeth II takes place in Westminster Abbey on 19 September 2022. The order of service follows a traditional pattern but is notable for its inclusion of other faiths, other Christian denominations, representatives of charities and the NHS

It is expected that leaders of many other faiths than the Church of England will be at the Coronation.

Well no doubt

Um, there is doubt that you know what they think, biglouis and I doubt they would be happy for you to state categorically that they are not requiring a lavish public ceremony at my expense nor worried about the fact you were not consulted especially as you describe their religious practices as religious mumbo jumbo

Disrespectful.

I love the idea of the oil being blended with orange blossoms - will the mix be available on Amazon?

Consecrated oil? I'm sure you can get it in Waitrose.

Smileless2012

^If people aren't believers they wont understand anointing^ indeed Callistemon and as you say, consecrated oil is used in numerous church services.

Babies being baptised don't just have a smear of Waitrose Extra Virgin olive oil! very good.

Though a non-believer I can absolutely understand using consecrated oil with religious significance in a church service, but personally I don't see the crowning of a monarch as a part of Christianity. Or do we believe in the "Divine Right" of kings?

It could be suggested that the whole coronation event is just a way of cementing the Royal Family into our lives - I'm not particularly a Republican and indeed admire some members of the RF, but this palaver really isn't necessary.

I suppose this is meant to signify that he is a special person. I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

Eloethan

I suppose this is meant to signify that he is a special person. I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

So glad to hear that I am not alone, I thought I'd be roasted!

Both from the religious and the traditional point of view the consecrated oil is a necessary part of the Coronation ceremony.

Forgive me for pointing out that the fact that some of you feel it is inappropriate or have never heard of it before has no bearing on the actual ceremony.

No king has ever been refused his coronation ceremony because he was an adulterer! Everyone in 1902 knew perfectly well that Edward VII had had many mistresses during his marriage, and that Alexandra had "looked the other way". That did not stop the coronation.

Either King Charles III is crowned and his wife as well in a ceremony that resembles that of his forbears, or he decides that the whole idea of a coronation is inappropriate in our times, but no-one is likelyto change the central symbolic acts of the ceremony.

Calendargirl

The same ritual would be done for the Queen’s coronation.

You just wouldn’t hear about it so much 70 years ago.

I watched the late Queen’s coronation On a small black and white tv in the village hall and well remember the anointing with holy oil. The Queen changed into a plain white dress and was shielded from view under a canopy. Afterwards she changed back into her coronation robes for the rest of the ceremony.

No as the Pope is Catholic.

Don’t worry cc the roasting’s been done up thread 😀

ExperiencedNotOld

It’s part of the tradition of this country, and long should it remain.
I really don’t imagine it’s costing anything much, let alone taking food from those in need.

You cannot be serious?! By no means do all monarchies bother with an enormous coronation event like this, as was mentioned upthread.
Security will cost a huge amount, let alone all the dressing up and transporting hundreds of guests around the capital. And those who genuinely care about the environment might think twice before asking all these foreign dignataries to fly here.
I feel differently about the ceremonials around the Queen's funeral: she had given her life to the service of the country, was a religious woman and had the funeral she had earned and deserved.
However times really have changed and many feel that all this religious ceremonial is less appropriate for someone who is, in all honesty, a head of state in name only.

Davisuz

No as the Pope is Catholic.

I doubt The Pope is involved. But consecration without The Pope and Apostolic succession is quite a confusing thought, to me.

The C of E was established to break away from the church in Rome so doesn't require The Pope's involvement.

Smileless2012

The C of E was established to break away from the church in Rome so doesn't require The Pope's involvement.

I knew that, only confused to Church teachings. All Churches are different, I know God will sort religious issues later. Just interesting to compare.

Luckygirl3

You can be a believer without subscribing to this sort of hocus pocus.

I wonder how much this stuff is costing the taxpayers at a time when the cost of living defeats some poor families.

There's the "how much is it costing?.".....again.

A reasonable question I guess - one that people who are on the bread line might feel has some relevance.

Is this a religious ceremony that requires anointing? If so then it should be coupled with a spiritual baptismal-like-dunking to complete the process. More people would watch.

I have Extra Virgin Olive Oil I’d be happy to contribute plus some grated orange zest.

All that, being tongue-in-cheek… just how much opulence and added ritual do we need that will cost mega-millions?

I’m all for crowning a new Monarch but can’t it be a quick, streamlined, more humble event, something people can relate to? The monarch isn’t even the governing head of state.
Oy!
USA Gundy

Well quite.

I’m all for crowning a new Monarch but can’t it be a quick, streamlined, more humble event, something people can relate to? The monarch isn’t even the governing head of state

And thank goodness for that looking at some political heads of state in other countries.

FannyCornforth

Absolutely Smileless
One of my best friend’s wife is a GP and he is a psychotherapist.
They are both devout Catholics.
He once said to me that science teaches us that there is so much that is unknown

Quite. There is much we don't understand.

There is a difference between the Roman Catholic church and what is meant by the catholic church as in the Apostles' Creed.

Catholic means universal.

Today 17:36Callistemon21

There is a difference between the Roman Catholic church and what is meant by the catholic church as in the Apostles' Creed.

Catholic means universal.

Very wise words