The SNP is in a ‘tremendous mess’ apparently.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

I meant 2016 not 2006. Doh!

Lucky you corrected yourself before Volver got there!

Joking apart, Unfortunately it's also a party with many members who have grown used to power and the backstabbing and infighting has set in just as it does in the other major parties. So what you're saying, is that the SNP is a victim if its own success? I always thought Nicola Sturgeon was very shouty and full of herself which in turn encourages the infighting you mention, but I may be wrong. Even the prospective SNP candidates seem to be having ding dongs about each other already, but I guess that is the timeless aspect of politics. Oh for a day when they can stop promoting themselves and get on with sound policy making instead!

There’s BOJO on the news again trying to defend his actions the horrid man

What’s that to do with the SNP?

It's just them deflecting again Oreo

"them"?

Rather divisive, no?

I know Aveline I know 😂😂

volver3

"them"?

Rather divisive, no?

In woke speak them is the correct terminology.

You're going to have to run that by me again...

From the leafy English Midlands politics in Scotland does not affect me, I understand the wish to be independant and if the majority want that, that should happen.

But in my book independance means just that, a separate nation doing its own thing as it sees fit, because if it is still tied to the U.K. in some way Westminster still will get blamed for shortchanging Scotland.

Would the Scots be better off independent?, comparisons with Norway are made, Scotland has renewable and fossil energy that they could use and sell, there are other resources and fishing to contribute to the economy so I dont see them being worse off.

I'm watching Nicola's last FMQ's.

Dougie "three jobs" Ross is a sad little man, really, isn't he?

Nicola: "Here's a list of all the things we've done well"

Dougie: "Aye, but ferries, ferries, ferries...." 🤪

Scotland would be infinitely worse off if independent for reasons stated time and again. No practical economic case has ever been out forward. Indeed SNPs own economic situation is currently under police investigation. This is not likely to inspire confidence in them.

Its important to say that some Unionists (no names, no pack drill) think the whole country is full of knuckle draggers who can't make up their own minds about anything and are terribly easily led.

Except the people who agree with her that uniquely in all the world, we need a foreign government to tell us what to do or we'll do ourselves harm.

Foreign?

Ooops - did I say "her"? I meant "them" of course. 😊

Germanshepherdsmum

Foreign?

Aye.

Foreign.

volver3

I'm watching Nicola's last FMQ's.

Dougie "three jobs" Ross is a sad little man, really, isn't he?

Nicola: "Here's a list of all the things we've done well"

Dougie: "Aye, but ferries, ferries, ferries...." 🤪

Like her or loathe her, Ms Sturgeon is going to be a hard act to follow; she is very visible on the political stage and a strong personality who will be missed for different reasons

Ross on the other hand, I always find him rather creepy..........

I thought Cole-Hamilton made a sensible point, and he made it without resorting to childishness. But Ross.... 🤔

Not a 'foreign' government Volver and Scotland has representation there in proportion to our population -as I'm sure you are aware. Now back to the knuckle dragging.

Aye.

Foreign.

Would you like us to call you a foreigner? I think not. And we’re not so rude as to even consider doing so.

I don't care if you call me a foreigner or not, because my self worth is not bound up in my nationality. It is my position that Scotland and England are different countries, and if you are from a different country then you are a "foreigner". I'm sure Norwegians and Danes consider each other to be "foreigners". However, as those who pay attention and do not seek to twist posts to their prejudices will have seen, I didn't call anybody a "foreigner".

A government that operates in a different country to the one I inhabit, is by definition, a foreign government. Despite a pro rata number of representatives, the Westminster government will always act in the interests of the majority of its members, and the majority of members represent what is to me, a foreign country.

I consider myself . . .

My self worth

It is my position . . .

I was just reading an article about people who talk about themselves, but it didn’t say anything about foreigners.

I’m just interested to know what was going on that so many top SNP members resigned. Was it to do with the ferries, ferries, ferries, or missing money?

volver3

Germanshepherdsmum

Foreign?

Aye.

Foreign.

A foreign government with 59 Scottish MPs.

Are they foreigners too?
🤔

I wouldn't call them or you foreigners, volver as you are British, a citizen of the UK, just as I am although our origins may be different.

Don't forget all those Scottish Prime ministers, chancellors and ministers over the years. Scotland certainly has a voice at Westminster.

Molly have a look at facts not MEDIA spin .

Strange that the msm can focus on 600,000 of supposedly missing funds from the SNP's accounts, but can ignore 14 billion in fraudulent PPE contracts, it can also comment on the late delivery of the ferries, but remains quite on the 4 billion overspend late queen Elizabeth line, the 5.5.5 billion on tanks unfit for purpose or the black hole and failure of the hs2 project.
One would tend to think that the msm had an alternative agenda.
Or could it be that the media is owned by 5 tory supporting billionaires?
The constant attacks on the Scottish government, the SNP and the outgoing fm,the misinformation that is a daily part of the media around Scottish affairs. The use of English experts and tory mps to comment on the performance of the Scottish government. And of course the exclusion of any positive stories about Scotland, would suggest that the media is trying to hide the truth.
Fearmongering, misdirection, misinformation mistruths are all part of the Westminster establishment propaganda drive to stop independence.
The Westminster establishment fears the truth, because when the population understands that it has been lied too for so long that's when their grip is lost.
The brainwashing of the British public has been a fact of life for generations, flag waving nationalism encouraged to hid the fact that a small percentage of the population gain while the majority suffer.
Subliminal messages via the television and education system have implanted a false version of history in the minds of the population aiming to control and subdue any negative thoughts towards the so called ruling classes.
Therfore we must continue to challenge the lies, share the facts and evidence that disproves the claims of the Westminster establishment.
We must do so in a calm articulate way that will get the message and the truth out to a wider community.
It is time to turn the tide of falsehood spread by the Westminster establishment, and let the truth be known.