Soup throwing again

I am in New Zealand.
The person who threw the soup has not been arrested, the person who gave the 70 year old woman has not been arrested either. Incidentally the 70 year old woman also has a fractured skull. The police were totally at fault in this situation and were watching from a distance under a tree despite seeing what was happening and being phoned many times. There were 80 to 100 people there to attend the Let Woman Speak rally and I believe about 2000 trans rights activists. I think after the week we had in NZ before Posy arrived many would have been put off attending the Let Woman Speak rally.
The media and some MP's especially from the Labour and Green Party whipped up a storm of hatred following the unrest in Australia.
For the record at the Melbourne meeting where the far right turned up with their Nazi salutes firstly for some reason the Police let them through the cordon and secondly the Jewish council has said they do not believe Posy has any connection with the Neo Nazis. Seriously why would she, the Neo Nazi's hate feminists.
Our biased media are by any standards abysmal and I wouldn't rely on our main media for truth in this situation. They receive money from the Government with strings attached.
It was distressing to see something like this playing out in my own country unfortunately free speech in this country has been eroding for a while.
For democracy to work we need to have free speech.
And an unbiased media.
Both of which seem to be in short supply here.

Sorry read that as 70 year old woman a black eye.

Thanks for a local perspective Jumblygran.

I'm so grateful that you bothered to post Jumblygran
I'm so sorry this happened in your country. A beautiful place.

But I'm afraid I see Canada and NZ as the canary in the coal mine.
UK isnt far behind.

As you say free speech is under threat, and from the look of things some people don't either value it, or realize it's is being eroded

I find it all quite worrying.

Oh just remembered, Jumblygran is it possible to still see the clip of Eli Rubashkyn say something like

'I dropped a litre of tomato juice over her, but I want her to be covered in blood because that's what she's advocating for, our genocide.'

This is at the rally, after PP left I think?

If the internet is going to redact posts we shall never have access to the truth.

This is a film taken by The Laughing Auditor who is a UK based part of PINAC (Photography Is Not A Crime).
He happened to come across this TRA protest in London and although not officially working decided to film the events. He started off as an interested spectator thinking it was a street party but events soon disabused him of that. The protest was being held because The Lesbian Project were holding their inaugural meeting. Yes, imagine, women daring to want to have a private meeting!
The film has been edited to remove swearing. It’s 50 minutes long but is well worth watching, if only because he so obviously knows his rights and refuses to be intimidated by either the TRAs or the Met officers.
To quote the Laughing Auditor - “A terrible look for the Met and for this group, I certainly went in there with the best intentions, but I’ve come away from it outraged and firmly against this type of group activity”.

youtu.be/qMpy8VDBJXQ

The Met are making it very obvious who they support with regards to safeguarding women.

twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1640613412110577665?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

Just a tiny sample of what the Met appear to be happy to support.

twitter.com/wilder_harriet/status/1640630908209250305?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

An excellent article from The Spectator on what happened in New Zealand. It includes clips of/from the Auckland mob violence.

twitter.com/standingforxx/status/1640371623432798214?s=61&t=qph6ruaz5B5GPjDn7jnZBw

Good point Namsnanny, I actually haven't seen that on the net.
I see that an assault charge has been laid against her but she has left the country.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMVGYCyZ1sk

If anyone is interested.
Above is a link to an independent talk show in which the women who didn't get to speak are speaking. This journalist does generally attempt to be impartial and he has no funding from the government. There is a full three hours in three parts I have only had time to listen to the first one.

This is all very, very scary.

Let Women Speak!! Says Posey!

No, not those women, they don't agree with me.

Volver
I think you’ll find that Posey is speaking for women like me and 52%? in this country who were born with a vagina, a womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes, all the bits that make us WOMEN.

She doesn't speak for me.

It’s becoming impossible to discuss the aggressive attacks by trans activists. Free speech unless you speak for women

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volver3

She doesn't speak for me.

I agree volver3. She doesn’t speak for you.

It seems to me you’re enjoying being rude, provocative and shutting others down volver

No, you can all sing the praises of Ms Parker as much as you like. Because despite what you all say, free speech is not at risk just because people don't want her devisive, rabble rousing rhetoric in their countries.

I dare say there have been protestors like Parker before. The "it's my right to say anything I like and I'm just standing up for you, the poor, downtrodden majority." Those who see an opportunity for self aggrandizment and don't care who they hurt doing it.

Apparently she said NZ was almost as bad as Scotland, or something like that. Made me proud.

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There are threats of violence at pretty much every meeting of women who want to talk about this, its par for the course. Threats and violence towards people I might not agree with are much more frightening than views that I dont agree with.
Those who decide men should be in womens spaces dont care who they hurt.

Its given men an excuse to attack women, and be on the 'good' side. This issue has taught me many things but the latest is to be terrified of those who see themselves as the 'goodies' they generally arent, much harm has been done throughout history under the blanket of 'kindness'.

TerriBull

MerylStreep

Volver
I think you’ll find that Posey is speaking for women like me and 52%? in this country who were born with a vagina, a womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes, all the bits that make us WOMEN.

Hi Meryl,

You are so right, Posy does speak for most women, the 52%.

I thought Volver had well and truly pissed off the last time she took umbrage but unfortunately she's living up to her name and has returned. What a pity! I think that "grow up" was aimed at you it's her pathetic default answer to anyone who substantiates their argument which flies in the face of her stance. I got several of those on a thread or two a while back. I think it's such a shame when people like Urmstongran disappear and we get gobshite Volver return again and again, she doesn't make Gransnet a nice place imo. I can't be bothered engaging with her quite honestly.

Rest assured you represent the many, there's an echo chamber on GN who dupe people into thinking they are the majority.

TerriBull

Do you have grandchildren Terribull? If so, do they know you speak that way?

I've never used the term "grow up" on here before, but it seems apt somehow. Not about MerylStreep but just about anybody wittering on about their free speech not being allowed any more.

Its not my job to make Gransnet a nice place.

And Parker most certainly does not speak for me. I'd be ashamed if I thought she did.

Loads of people dont speak for me. I find the idea of stopping them speaking through violence much more frightening than any ideas I have ever heard.

Somebody posted this morning that Posey speaks for the 52% of this population who have all the bits that make us women.

What that says about people who have had hysterectomies, I hate to think.

Anyway, I have all those bits and she doesn't speak for me.

Galaxy

There are threats of violence at pretty much every meeting of women who want to talk about this, its par for the course. Threats and violence towards people I might not agree with are much more frightening than views that I dont agree with.
Those who decide men should be in womens spaces dont care who they hurt.

Yes, it seems that things have gone down the road some of us predicted a while ago - women are literally being silenced.

There are many different ways of doing it - from mockery and sneering online that shuts down debate through to intimidation and actual violence.

Whether or not I agree with everything someone has to say, I believe that they have a right to say it. As this thread shows, however, the values that have underpinned 'British values' for so long are under threat, and we ignore that at our peril.