Soup throwing again

Rosie51

volver3

Why should they be ashamed of themselves?

The arrested the juice-pourer and she's going to court.

How much do you actually know about what happened and how much are you making up?

The arrested the juice-pourer and she's going to court.

Can you post the link to this .....I can't find anything that says Eliana Rubashkyn has been arrested? I have seen they have deleted loads of tweets, especially the ones from where they've fled to Australia.

My, my my it looks like Volver is the one guilty of How much do you actually know about what happened and how much are you making up? no arrest eh, you just made it up? No wonder you didn't reply to my posts asking for a link!

Thanks Jumblygran for confirming I wasn't missing the reporting of the arrest. The scenes of them trying to get KJK to safety through that violent mob were absolutely terrifying just to watch, let alone be a part of. You don't have to agree with KJK to condemn that mob, any decent person would.

The 'Let women speak' sessions are to allow women to tell their stories....why is that so very scary to the TRAs? And for Volver's information the women that are stopped from speaking are usually those that storm the area and grab the microphone to rant 'Trans women are women, trans rights are human rights' and don't want to say anything beyond that.

Yes, it seems that things have gone down the road some of us predicted a while ago - women are literally being silenced.

They are not, for goodness sake. There's women all over the place. The new Scottish Cabinet is more than 50% women. Look at all those women on Labour's shadow front bench. There are poets and authors and political commentators all over the place. There are comedians and actors.

So I'm afraid the comment "women are being silenced" is just pie in the sky based on a victim complex.

Yeah I was wrong about the arrest. Mea culpa.

Did Enoch Powell rant about British values with his rivers of blood speech? Oswald Mosely?

There comes a time when you have to realise that allowing people their "freedom of speech" does more harm than good.

Just to inform you volver3 that a (real) woman who has had a hysterectomy still has XX chromosomes something trans women no matter how much they may wish it can NEVER have. I take you are one of them such is your vitriol.

Volver Apparently she said NZ was almost as bad as Scotland, or something like that. Made me proud. For the record the statement was that Scotland was bad, NZ was the worst yet, so not a source of pride for you Volver, just more you 'making it up' . Ironic really when I've seen you pull others up on inaccuracies.

We have thousands of screen shots of violent sexual threats, women meeting peacefully being threatened and women being sacked and dragged through court. Please dont tell GC women what is happening when you dont have a clue.

I KNOW glammagran.

It wasn't me who said Parker represents people with wombs.

Are we calling me a man now, 'cos we've run out of sensible arguments?

Rosie51

Volver Apparently she said NZ was almost as bad as Scotland, or something like that. Made me proud. For the record the statement was that Scotland was bad, NZ was the worst yet, so not a source of pride for you Volver, just more you 'making it up' . Ironic really when I've seen you pull others up on inaccuracies.

Aye, still proud. We stand up against bigots, like her.

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Putting on a dress does not make you a women, having breast augmentation does not make you a women, having your penis surgical removed does not make you a women.

It is biologically impossible at this time to alter one’s chromosomes, born a man die as a man, born a women die as a women.

Stating facts does not make one a bigot.

Excellent post at 9.05 TerriBull, spot on. It's when the trans activists supporters start with the whataboutery nonsense like "well i havent got a womb so am i not a woman?" that you know they're desperate to shut women down.
Oh and your grandchildren, if you have them, are lucky to have a grandmother who's as honest, perceptive and engaged with what's happening to women as you.

It's a different kind of bigotry I am afraid to say men can become women.

Who uses descriptors such as *Gobshite"?

Things have changed since I was a girl.

GrannyGravy13

Putting on a dress does not make you a women, having breast augmentation does not make you a women, having your penis surgical removed does not make you a women.

It is biologically impossible at this time to alter one’s chromosomes, born a man die as a man, born a women die as a women.

Stating facts does not make one a bigot.

Well said (and true!!) 👏👏👏

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4586847-and-this-is-exactly-why-posie-parker-is-a-liability

Haven't read it all, but the bits I have read are right.

Some extracts:

"Posie Parker doesn't speak for all feminists or all women, and it's disingenuous of Billy Bragg to suggest that she does."

"But Posie Parker and those who follow her are making it so much easier for people like him to imply we're all right wing bigots."

"But, my point is that by acting as if abortion isn't an essential women's rights issue, or one that can be traded for fighting self ID, and by courting the religious right in the US, Posie is harming the fight against self ID itself. It's a badly thought out, harmful, counter-productive strategy."

Not just me who thinks that way then.

I am afraid I dont think you do know a lot about this issue Volver. Which is er fine, in the same way I dont know a great deal about all sorts of things. I gave you lots of concrete example, all recorded or a matter of record about what has happened to GC women when they have tried to speak to counter your 'wittering about free speech'.
Kelly J is not a feminist and has never said she is one. Lots of people who have concerns arent feminists, there are many different factors to the debate, womens rights absolutely, but also free speech, rights of children etc. People come at it from different perspectives.

Christ dont get into the MN debate on her, unless you have 5 years of your life to spare.

Who uses descriptors such as *Gobshite"?

When it's fair and accurate, anyone could use it. And on this occasion it was both.

LiverLover

Who uses descriptors such as *Gobshite"?

When it's fair and accurate, anyone could use it. And on this occasion it was both.

ooops.

What a lovely thread this is.

Galaxy

I am afraid I dont think you do know a lot about this issue Volver. Which is er fine, in the same way I dont know a great deal about all sorts of things. I gave you lots of concrete example, all recorded or a matter of record about what has happened to GC women when they have tried to speak to counter your 'wittering about free speech'.
Kelly J is not a feminist and has never said she is one. Lots of people who have concerns arent feminists, there are many different factors to the debate, womens rights absolutely, but also free speech, rights of children etc. People come at it from different perspectives.

I used to think I didn't know much about this. I used to wonder why people were so upset about it, so I tried to understand why they got so activated about such apparently trivial things when there are so many more things in the world to worry about.

Now I understand that they were just getting activated about trivial things.

Yes lots of people think womens safety and dignity in prisons for example is a trivial matter, no one generally gives a toss about those women. The women in sport who have had to go through years of fighting this nonsense, and still are at the amateur level. And of course what's coming out in pretty much every country on the impact on children.

The trivial bit is that people say transpeople are the baddies. They do, although you will deny that, I suppose.

I don't give a toss if a transperson is in the same changing room as me, any more than I would care if a gay person was. I get that some do care, but this rabble rousing isn't the way to fix it. It starts with a sensible worry (e.g. transpeople in sport) and ends up with the demonisation of drag queens.

I dont think they are the baddies. I think transwomen are men. I dont think men are baddies. I quite like them. But they have no place in womens spaces.
I think the fixing is happening because of the work women have done. So I think prisons are on the way to being sex segregated again, I think there has been some movement in sport, refuges might change depending on the result of some upcoming court action, although that's been upcoming for a long time so who knows.
I think there are many ways to protest this, but I think some of the reaction you are seeing is the dislike of being lied to. We know Isla Bryson is a man, people arent going to lie to be 'kind'.