Soup throwing again

Jumblygran

I am in New Zealand.
The person who threw the soup has not been arrested, the person who gave the 70 year old woman has not been arrested either. Incidentally the 70 year old woman also has a fractured skull. The police were totally at fault in this situation and were watching from a distance under a tree despite seeing what was happening and being phoned many times. There were 80 to 100 people there to attend the Let Woman Speak rally and I believe about 2000 trans rights activists. I think after the week we had in NZ before Posy arrived many would have been put off attending the Let Woman Speak rally.
The media and some MP's especially from the Labour and Green Party whipped up a storm of hatred following the unrest in Australia.
For the record at the Melbourne meeting where the far right turned up with their Nazi salutes firstly for some reason the Police let them through the cordon and secondly the Jewish council has said they do not believe Posy has any connection with the Neo Nazis. Seriously why would she, the Neo Nazi's hate feminists.
Our biased media are by any standards abysmal and I wouldn't rely on our main media for truth in this situation. They receive money from the Government with strings attached.
It was distressing to see something like this playing out in my own country unfortunately free speech in this country has been eroding for a while.
For democracy to work we need to have free speech.
And an unbiased media.
Both of which seem to be in short supply here.

Thank you for your explanatory post Jumblygran, much appreciated.

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Why so goady, volver?

Just curious.

Thank you very much for your post Jumblygran, it’s good to hear from someone who is actually in that part of the world.

Rosie51

Rosie51

volver3

Why should they be ashamed of themselves?

The arrested the juice-pourer and she's going to court.

How much do you actually know about what happened and how much are you making up?

The arrested the juice-pourer and she's going to court.

Can you post the link to this .....I can't find anything that says Eliana Rubashkyn has been arrested? I have seen they have deleted loads of tweets, especially the ones from where they've fled to Australia.

My, my my it looks like Volver is the one guilty of How much do you actually know about what happened and how much are you making up? no arrest eh, you just made it up? No wonder you didn't reply to my posts asking for a link!

Thanks Jumblygran for confirming I wasn't missing the reporting of the arrest. The scenes of them trying to get KJK to safety through that violent mob were absolutely terrifying just to watch, let alone be a part of. You don't have to agree with KJK to condemn that mob, any decent person would.

The 'Let women speak' sessions are to allow women to tell their stories....why is that so very scary to the TRAs? And for Volver's information the women that are stopped from speaking are usually those that storm the area and grab the microphone to rant 'Trans women are women, trans rights are human rights' and don't want to say anything beyond that.

The juice thrower has not been arrested but it seems from reports that she said is expecting to be and, this is my opinion only, she is hoping this will happen to raise her public profile to enable her to gain martyr status.

Thanks Jumblygran. Useful to know from someone over there.

The @elianarubashkyn Twitter account has now been deleted. Lots of people have screenshots though.

volver3

Did Enoch Powell rant about British values with his rivers of blood speech? Oswald Mosely?

There comes a time when you have to realise that allowing people their "freedom of speech" does more harm than good.

Ah! There we have it.
I knew we'd get there in the end.

There comes a time when you have to realise that allowing people their freedom of speech does more harm than good

Allowing? Who gets to choose what I say?
You?
The Gov?
A biased political party?
The CEO who has a financial interest in the out come?
The Trans lobby?

Freedom of speech is for
Every.One.
in a
D.E.MO.C.R.A.C.Y

Assaulting people because they dont agree with me, is not acceptable.

Oh don't try to make me out to be a fascist Namsnanny, that's so pathetic.

Here you go, you might learn something.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-10-freedom-expression

R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y

Sorry, Volver.

The buck stops with free speech for all.
E.N.D O.F.

twitter.com/i/status/1621477352172650497

"Each and every one of you women who stand in my way, each and every one of you, let me just tell you, you will be annihilated."

If she told me she was going to annihilate me tomato juice would be the least of her problems. Is she allowed to say this then, in your utopia of freedom of speech?

There is nothing ‘trivial’ about the removal of women’s sex based rights and protections. Women’s refuges should not be forced to accept men, women who have suffered violence at the hands of men should not have to share their safe spaces with men, vulnerable women should be able to have female medical practitioners. There is much more besides but I won’t list it all here. This is about much more than sharing changing rooms, now that really is trivialising the issues.

I'm in favour of free speech for all whatever their views. Rather than limit free speech I'd prefer schools to educate people to be more discerning in their analysis of what is said and to be alert to trigger words designed to whip up feeling. I have no time for people who want to be perpetually outraged.

And is that happening all over the place, or even once, or are you just imagining that it might soon?

Equality Act, 2010.

Good post Blossoming 12.46.51

volver3

And is that happening all over the place, or even once, or are you just imagining that it might soon?

Equality Act, 2010.

That was for Blossoming.

volver3

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Just to say I didn't report your goady post, volver

I thought it was better left up but opinions may vary.

volver3

volver3

And is that happening all over the place, or even once, or are you just imagining that it might soon?

Equality Act, 2010.

That was for Blossoming.

Oh come on Volver3 that’s disingenuous in the extreme! You know as well as I do what’s been happening with proposals to reform the GRA. You’re aware of the problems women’s refuges have been experiencing and the women who have been vilified for not wanting to be nursed by biological males in women’s clothing.

Right, I’ve got stuff to do. That oven won’t clean itself.

That oven won’t clean itself
DD has one that does 😀

I know what scaremongering and misinformation there has been.

Examples? (After the oven of course )

Grantanow

I'm in favour of free speech for all whatever their views. Rather than limit free speech I'd prefer schools to educate people to be more discerning in their analysis of what is said and to be alert to trigger words designed to whip up feeling. I have no time for people who want to be perpetually outraged.

Well said.

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Oh dear.

Do you talk like that to everybody you don't like?

I've left because of the bullies before. Its not going to happen again.

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Reporting spree.

This is fun.