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Namsnanny Wed 29-Mar-23 14:03:21

Over Posie Parker (as was. Kelly forgot the rest of her name)
On her NZ tour.

I dont do links, but it's probably easy to find.

The person who threw it followed up with a quick speech, saying something like she wished it was blood, or next time it should be blood. I couldnt really hear clearly.

Why such vitriol and violence?

(If there is another thread about this, apologies.)

MerylStreep Thu 30-Mar-23 16:34:34

Did everyone know that schools don’t have to inform parents if a child wishes to be known by another gender.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schools-let-children-change-gender-without-telling-parents/

Rosie51 Thu 30-Mar-23 16:45:20

Glorianny There are police at the New Zealand rally they eventually take her away in a police car after escorting her to it.
She obviously also has her own security

team.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKn5XeJkWY

Whatever you think about KJK do you honestly believe this was justifiable? I'm horrified at this violent baying mob. They're like a load of pack animals baying for blood. They want her out but surround her in a crush trying to get to her. If you think this is acceptable behaviour then you disgust me as much as that mob. Those crowds stormed the barriers that were to separate them from the rotunda. I can't see any police that enforced the barriers, can you? No as Jumblygran confirmed in her post they were a distance away, and didn't make themselves available until they were almost to the police cars.
Given that there were efforts to refuse her entry visa on the grounds her presence could promote disruption and violence wouldn't you think there'd have been a strong police presence near to the rotunda maintaining distance between speakers and protestors?
Incidentally the Nazis loved cross dressers, there are photos of Nazi soldiers cross dressing. As for 'no true feminist' that's akin to 'no true Scotsman' or according to Humza 'no true transwoman'

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 16:47:26

MerylStreep

Did everyone know that schools don’t have to inform parents if a child wishes to be known by another gender.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schools-let-children-change-gender-without-telling-parents/

This is what extremist regimes do - undermine the family and control the youth of the country.

Nazism, Communism, the state takes over and we have seen this happen in the last 100 years.

It's brainwashing.

Rosie51 Thu 30-Mar-23 16:48:11

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsKn5XeJkWY

I don't think the first link worked.

Namsnanny Thu 30-Mar-23 17:07:20

Callistemon21

MerylStreep

Did everyone know that schools don’t have to inform parents if a child wishes to be known by another gender.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/schools-let-children-change-gender-without-telling-parents/

This is what extremist regimes do - undermine the family and control the youth of the country.

Nazism, Communism, the state takes over and we have seen this happen in the last 100 years.

It's brainwashing.

So very true.

How to address it though?

Iam64 Thu 30-Mar-23 17:20:52

I’m not sure how it can be addressed.
A previously outstanding school was downgraded to needing improvement on safeguarding. The safeguarding issue was a child inadvertently being mispronouned.
No doubt if a parent makes a legal challenge to not having safeguarding information about their child’s use of new name/gender the parent risks being accused of emotional abuse.

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 17:24:24

Wait, what?

People get upset if I call actual Nazis, Nazis. But we're allowed to get paranoid about what the schools are doing to our children and call it Nazi-ism?

I though we didn't bring "Nazi" into anything, it was frowned upon...?

MerylStreep Thu 30-Mar-23 17:43:11

I’m not paranoid, I’m fucking livid😡 I will fight against this madness until my dying breath.
Thank god I have one grandchild who thinks as the majority here do. But another could be easily swayed to accept this lunacy, so every time this is alluded to, I put her right.

glammagran Thu 30-Mar-23 18:21:31

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Mollygo Thu 30-Mar-23 18:24:51

Read it in the paper this morning.
Primary parents tend to come in and demand that everyone is told so they don’t make a fuss if children go to the wrong toilets.
This is new-and since you would report any other behaviours that affect children at school, on safeguarding grounds, I don’t quite see how they justify this.
In my experience, they tend to broadcast their demands to be referred to by new names and demand that children who don’t use the appropriate pronouns when talking about them should be punished. They may change their pronouns and their names several times. Which other pupils would be allowed to twist the system?
They, especially pre-teens, may also bully other children into joining their group. As with any bullies the rule is, “You’re in the group or we’ll make your life a misery”. Once in the group you have to show that you are suffering in order to remain in favour with the ring leader.

They tend to publicise their change on WhatsApp or other social media, so if the parents aren’t aware of what’s going on, without being told by school, that’s an issue for them to address.
Or does this gender demand only apply in school, where children can work the system?
Perhaps it’s time parents informed school, not the other way round.
When writing reports, I wonder if teachers should refer to children by their new name and new pronouns.
If school accepts the child’s gender demands, should teachers lie on reports?

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:27:22

volver3

Wait, what?

People get upset if I call actual Nazis, Nazis. But we're allowed to get paranoid about what the schools are doing to our children and call it Nazi-ism?

I though we didn't bring "Nazi" into anything, it was frowned upon...?

I didn't.

Clever twisting of words though, volve!

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:29:03

Perhaps it’s time parents informed school, not the other way round

👏👏👏

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:33:02

How do we protect our children from people like you?

Are you serious? Ah well, more reporting.

Why on earth do you think its acceptable to imply I'm a danger to children? That's despicable. confused

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:35:31

I though we didn't bring "Nazi" into anything, it was frowned upon...?

No, of course we can. I was thinking of the Hitler Youth and other regimes which influence young minds such as the Communists who asked young people to report on their parents

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:37:59

Oh. So now you're admitting you did bring Nazism into it.

Honest to God...

MerylStreep Thu 30-Mar-23 18:49:10

why on earth do you think it’s acceptable to imply I’m a danger to children
Probably for the same reason that you believe that anyone who breaths the same air as a Nazi is a Nazi.
It appears only us can be guilty by association, but not you.
Disclaimer. I’m not a Nazi.
Just incase anyone was in doubt.

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 18:56:35

Oh good lord.

I posted a picture of some Nazis and called them Nazis.

Out of absolutely nowhere, hours later, I get told I'm a danger to children.

I never thought you were a Nazi. So you can sleep easy in you bed tonight

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:02:26

volver3

Oh. So now you're admitting you did bring Nazism into it.

Honest to God...

😂😂😂

Oh dear!

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:04:17

Out of absolutely nowhere, hours later, I get told I'm a danger to children

I didn't say you were.

Callistemon21 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:08:38

I posted a picture of some Nazis and called them Nazis.

They look like the police to me.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:10:01

Blimey 😨

glammagran Thu 30-Mar-23 19:26:49

volver3

The trivial bit is that people say transpeople are the baddies. They do, although you will deny that, I suppose.

I don't give a toss if a transperson is in the same changing room as me, any more than I would care if a gay person was. I get that some do care, but this rabble rousing isn't the way to fix it. It starts with a sensible worry (e.g. transpeople in sport) and ends up with the demonisation of drag queens.

I think volver3 was referring to me. I think she knows I was not directly saying that she is a danger to children but she will know why drag queens have been in the news lately and I don’t mean Dame Edna Everage. It was to to with twerking in front of toddlers. And that is despicable.

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:28:47

Callistemon21

^Out of absolutely nowhere, hours later, I get told I'm a danger to children^

I didn't say you were.

Stop it Callistemon. You're not the only poster here and out of nowhere, somebody I don't remember interacting with, said that children needed protecting from people like me.

LiverLover Thu 30-Mar-23 19:33:15

I kinda see what she means to be fair volver.

volver3 Thu 30-Mar-23 19:33:26

I think volver3 was referring to me. I think she knows I was not directly saying that she is a danger to children but she will know why drag queens have been in the news lately and I don’t mean Dame Edna Everage. It was to to with twerking in front of toddlers. And that is despicable.

Yes I was.

Your actual words: How do we protect our children from people like you?

Why would you think children needed protecting from me if you don't think I'm a danger to them? You brought up twerking and drag queens out of nowhere, not me.

Line crossed this time.