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Would my grandson's uni tell employer he was expelled

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worriedgrandma Sat 08-Apr-23 09:49:34

My grandson stupidly got expelled for nonacademic misconduct from uni 1 ...drugs were involved

Then he entered uni 2 and graduated

Now his employer wants to verify his educational history ...
he would not use uni 1's academic reference for obvious reasons as his tutor knows what happened
instead he would use student services/HEDD to verify his attendance

would student services/HEDD tell his employer about the expulsion or would they just say he attended from x to y and got z qualification and no more?

pandapatch Sun 09-Apr-23 11:18:39

I am confused, why does his employer want to verify his educational history? I
s it like reference?, but those are usually taken before you get a job.
Is this his first job after grauduating?
I had to give lots of references in my job, but in later years we only ever confirmed the dates of employment, as is the norm these days. I doubt the university would do anything different

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:28:21

He’s going to have to say why he left university A and then went to university B, surely?

Sorry if this is overly simplistic or I’m missing something

pandapatch Sun 09-Apr-23 11:29:50

Ahhh, I have just read your new thread.
I had never heard of gap analysis so googled it
"HR Gap Analysis identifies possible personnel and skill deficiencies by assessing the skills of your current workforce compared to the workforce you will need to reach your key business goals. "
Is it possible that this is what they are doing and your grandson just feels guilty about his past and non- disclosure.?

Doodledog Sun 09-Apr-23 11:30:25

FannyCornforth

He’s going to have to say why he left university A and then went to university B, surely?

Sorry if this is overly simplistic or I’m missing something

Why?

It will be the degree that interests his employer, which he got from University B, so the rest can be glossed over, IMO. It's not relevant to the job.

This is not a confessional - it's a job application.

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:35:51

PandaPatch that sounds like something different to me.
That sounds like skills analysis.

In this case the employer just needs to know what you he was doing when.
You need to explain ‘gaps’ in your education and work history eg rearing children, volunteering, travelling.
For example I had to explain why I abandoned my first PGCE (bereavement)

It’s standard practice.

Is my understanding correct Doodledog, Shep?

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:36:46

It seems not correct then!
I have had to do it for teaching jobs and TA jobs too

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:41:28

Doodledog I’d definitely be interested as to why he left Uni A and went to Uni B.
It would definitely pique my interest.

Tbh if I were him and being deceitful, I would have gone the whole hog and not mentioned Uni A at all

Doodledog Sun 09-Apr-23 11:43:07

That's why I mentioned the nature of the request. With a CV, you control the nature of the information, and with an application form that passes to the employer, who can ask what they like.

It's not clear from either OP whether the employer has asked specifically for information about the 'gap'. If they have there is no choice but to come clean, in which case I would speak to the university and ask them to 'be kind'. They will have to be truthful, but there are ways of presenting the truth. If the OP is asking about a more general request for references, I would get one from the university from which he graduated, and another from an employer if there is one.

In neither event would I expect the grandson's future to be significantly compromised if the career is in banking.

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:45:48

Thanks Doodledog
I’m getting more and more confused by this thread, so I’m going to leave it be for a while!
Happy Easter to you🌹

Doodledog Sun 09-Apr-23 11:47:37

FannyCornforth

Doodledog I’d definitely be interested as to why he left Uni A and went to Uni B.
It would definitely pique my interest.

Tbh if I were him and being deceitful, I would have gone the whole hog and not mentioned Uni A at all

In large organisations, CVs/application forms are not to satisfy the nosiness of recruiting staff grin. Remember that everyone is usually asked the same questions, and that if the application is on a CV there is no need to flag up university A at all.

A qualifications section need only have the dates of awards with the awarding body (in this case University B) . Chronological CVs accounting for every year since starting school aren't necessary.

FannyCornforth Sun 09-Apr-23 11:53:31

So, (I’m back!) is OP worrying needlessly?

Doodledog Sun 09-Apr-23 12:17:19

In my opinion (although I appear to be alone in this), probably.

worriedgrandma Sun 09-Apr-23 12:34:01

YES that is what is happening
In this case would the student services tell the bank about the expulsion or only mention the dates
The employer wants every year since graduating what happened

biglouis Sun 09-Apr-23 12:51:55

I agree broadly with Doodledog It will depend upon the career which your grandsom is considering. If it is one where due dilligence in referencing is important then you need to decide who/if you are going to present information to regarding uni 1.

For more ordinary employment purposes I would simply present the information from uni 2, the one from which he received his degree. A reference from his professor/head of department and an employment reference (if appropriate) should be sufficient.

My own educational attainments are excellent but I never tell people more than I think they need to know.