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Nicenanny3 Sun 20-Aug-23 10:49:46

Angela Rayner as Deputy Prime Minister God help us 🙏

What do you think?

maddyone Sun 20-Aug-23 11:55:24

I have the same view of Starmer. I don’t think Rayner is suitable to be deputy prime minister, but those on the far left will support her.

Ilovecheese Sun 20-Aug-23 12:11:29

I thinkthe "uncouth" ship has sailed since the support Lee Anderson received on here, following his somewhat "uncouth" outburst.

foxie48 Sun 20-Aug-23 12:17:36

I'm not a huge fan of Rayner but such double standards in this post, surely when compared to other MPs in high office her personal habits are pretty OK?

Drinks a lot on holiday with friends but not see hung over at the airport after partying in Italy with ex KGB whilst Foreign Secretary
Vapes but doesn't smoke cigarettes and vote against banning smoking in cars with children like Coffey (Health Sec)
Uses robust language but has empathy and an understanding of the plight of people less fortunate unlike Anderson (Conservative dep chair)
As far as we know doesn't do lines of cocaine, consort with prostitutes, give lucrative contracts to friends, try to sell themselves to companies for £10K per hour etc etc
Had a child whilst a teenager, whom she cares for and lives with but hasn't got an unidentified number of children with 3 wives and other undisclosed liaisons. Too many MPs to mention
Actually I'm beginning to warm to her, compared to some of the people we have had recently in positions of power, she's pretty unremarkable!

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-23 12:18:24

Blossoming

Uncouth, vulgar and uneducated? That strikes me as snobbery. The only thing I don’t like about her is her belief that humans can change sex.

And that belief is enough for me not to want or to vote for anyone holding that belief, whatever their background or current politics.

Some educated people are uncouth and vulgar, as well as remarkably stupid. Formal education isn't everything, as many of our current government prove by their incompetence.

Would people describe Rayner as a socialist? Asking for a reason.

foxie48 Sun 20-Aug-23 12:18:55

"too many MPs to mention " refers to doing lines of cocaine etc

eazybee Sun 20-Aug-23 12:20:06

Angela Rayner is ignorant and uneducated, and has taken no steps to remedy the situation.

The thought of her as Deputy Prime Minister is appalling, but has a lot to do with the power of the Trade Unions.

Is this the best the Labour Party can produce?

MaizieD Sun 20-Aug-23 12:20:59

It's snobbery pure and simple.

It's the same snobbery that made the most worthless individual in the UK into Prime Minister with a party with an 80 seat majority in parliament.

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-23 12:23:08

MaizieD

It's snobbery pure and simple.

It's the same snobbery that made the most worthless individual in the UK into Prime Minister with a party with an 80 seat majority in parliament.

I think that 80 seat majority was, rightly or wrongly, about "getting Brexit done". Nothing to do with snobbery about BJ's background.

MaizieD Sun 20-Aug-23 12:29:49

Baggs

MaizieD

It's snobbery pure and simple.

It's the same snobbery that made the most worthless individual in the UK into Prime Minister with a party with an 80 seat majority in parliament.

I think that 80 seat majority was, rightly or wrongly, about "getting Brexit done". Nothing to do with snobbery about BJ's background.

I disagree, Baggs. I think that Johnson was a huge factor in securing that majority.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Aug-23 12:30:47

baggs I would define someone as a democratic socialist if they supported the NHS, a healthy and comprehensive level of social care, give due consideration to take back into government control things like water and the railway. Strong support for state education. Support for public services like good transport system, roads etc.

They would also recognise the need for a country, where businesses can thrive and provide the employment needed for the countries people.

I am not sure where Raynor comes in my list. Her opinion will of course be tempered by the Labours party need to win an election.

A socialist - I am unaware that there are any socialists - there would be no point in them belonging to the Labour Party as it is a strong supporter of our economic market system.
So to answer your question

Angela Raynor is not a socialist.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 20-Aug-23 12:31:30

👏👏👏*eazybee*. The person who would be in charge in Starmer’s absence? Unthinkable.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Aug-23 12:31:44

Country’s

maddyone Sun 20-Aug-23 12:49:36

Germanshepherdsmum

👏👏👏*eazybee*. The person who would be in charge in Starmer’s absence? Unthinkable.

Can anyone truly imagine her on the world stage?

Shelflife Sun 20-Aug-23 12:57:19

Blossoming, I am with you !

maytime2 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:02:52

I write as person who has always voted Labour in both national and local elections, but will not do so again whilst Starmer is in charge, but that is another story. I just wanted people to be know where I was on the political spectrum.

I think Angela Rayner epitomises everything thing that is wrong in politics nowadays. Yes the Labour Party was built by intelligent people who had to educate themselves whilst working , usually in heavy industry, often spoke with a pronounced accent, but were always grammatically correct.

Angela Rayner seems to think it's fine to speak as she does, to sit in the House of Commons with very little decorum, and seems to think that having a child at 16 years is something to brag about.
Unfortunately these are things that are lauded in some quarters, but not by me. It only gives me another reason not to vote Labour in the next elecion.

MrsThatcher Sun 20-Aug-23 13:04:21

eazybee

Angela Rayner is ignorant and uneducated, and has taken no steps to remedy the situation.

The thought of her as Deputy Prime Minister is appalling, but has a lot to do with the power of the Trade Unions.

Is this the best the Labour Party can produce?

Agree. She’s repulsive.

Callistemon21 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:07:12

I prefer Jess Phillips if the Labour Deputy Leader has to be a woman.

MayBee70 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:07:21

maytime2

I write as person who has always voted Labour in both national and local elections, but will not do so again whilst Starmer is in charge, but that is another story. I just wanted people to be know where I was on the political spectrum.

I think Angela Rayner epitomises everything thing that is wrong in politics nowadays. Yes the Labour Party was built by intelligent people who had to educate themselves whilst working , usually in heavy industry, often spoke with a pronounced accent, but were always grammatically correct.

Angela Rayner seems to think it's fine to speak as she does, to sit in the House of Commons with very little decorum, and seems to think that having a child at 16 years is something to brag about.
Unfortunately these are things that are lauded in some quarters, but not by me. It only gives me another reason not to vote Labour in the next elecion.

So, you don’t like Starmer and you don’t like Raynor, who is at the opposite end of the Labour Party. Can you tell me who you would want to be leader and deputy leader please?

nanna8 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:10:20

Oh get rid of Starmer, he won’t be any good. There must be someone better who should walk in if they are half way decent.

JaneJudge Sun 20-Aug-23 13:12:14

foxie48

I'm not a huge fan of Rayner but such double standards in this post, surely when compared to other MPs in high office her personal habits are pretty OK?

Drinks a lot on holiday with friends but not see hung over at the airport after partying in Italy with ex KGB whilst Foreign Secretary
Vapes but doesn't smoke cigarettes and vote against banning smoking in cars with children like Coffey (Health Sec)
Uses robust language but has empathy and an understanding of the plight of people less fortunate unlike Anderson (Conservative dep chair)
As far as we know doesn't do lines of cocaine, consort with prostitutes, give lucrative contracts to friends, try to sell themselves to companies for £10K per hour etc etc
Had a child whilst a teenager, whom she cares for and lives with but hasn't got an unidentified number of children with 3 wives and other undisclosed liaisons. Too many MPs to mention
Actually I'm beginning to warm to her, compared to some of the people we have had recently in positions of power, she's pretty unremarkable!

Quite.

Fleurpepper Sun 20-Aug-23 13:15:35

foxie48

I'm not a huge fan of Rayner but such double standards in this post, surely when compared to other MPs in high office her personal habits are pretty OK?

Drinks a lot on holiday with friends but not see hung over at the airport after partying in Italy with ex KGB whilst Foreign Secretary
Vapes but doesn't smoke cigarettes and vote against banning smoking in cars with children like Coffey (Health Sec)
Uses robust language but has empathy and an understanding of the plight of people less fortunate unlike Anderson (Conservative dep chair)
As far as we know doesn't do lines of cocaine, consort with prostitutes, give lucrative contracts to friends, try to sell themselves to companies for £10K per hour etc etc
Had a child whilst a teenager, whom she cares for and lives with but hasn't got an unidentified number of children with 3 wives and other undisclosed liaisons. Too many MPs to mention
Actually I'm beginning to warm to her, compared to some of the people we have had recently in positions of power, she's pretty unremarkable!

Yes, the hypocrisy is so flagrant and mind-blowing.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:23:03

My choice would be Yvette Cooper, an MP since 1997, more experienced along with being extremely articulate and on top of her brief.

Callistemon21 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:28:39

GrannyGravy13

My choice would be Yvette Cooper, an MP since 1997, more experienced along with being extremely articulate and on top of her brief.

Yes, but perhaps as Leader.

Baggs Sun 20-Aug-23 13:38:08

MaizieD

Baggs

MaizieD

It's snobbery pure and simple.

It's the same snobbery that made the most worthless individual in the UK into Prime Minister with a party with an 80 seat majority in parliament.

I think that 80 seat majority was, rightly or wrongly, about "getting Brexit done". Nothing to do with snobbery about BJ's background.

I disagree, Baggs. I think that Johnson was a huge factor in securing that majority.

I agree that Johnson was a huge factor but I don't think it had anything to do with snobbery.

Bella23 Sun 20-Aug-23 13:38:38

Callistemon21

I prefer Jess Phillips if the Labour Deputy Leader has to be a woman.

I for Evette Cooper. Articulate educated and measured.