Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

MerylStreep

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

Were there ever any posh accents in Australia, apart from the odd black sheep. Even the "Aussie Earl" doesn't have a posh accent. By that I mean the 6th Earl of Stradbroke in Suffolk - Keith Rous.

She isn’t our Angela, she’s an MP, not a mate or a friend. She represents her constituency, not all of us.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

He sure does. apparently he invested £500 million in Moderna at the time of the commissioning of vaccines. I read this in a different thread on hear I think. It could be wrong but somehow I doubt it.

foxie48

I've been thinking about this thread and also about the standards of behaviour of MPs in the recent past. It's been pretty dreadful, hasn't it? Lying to parliament, fiddling taxes on a massive scale, breaking covid laws, groping men when drunk, groping women when sober and drunk, snorting cocaine, the disgraceful misuse of the honours system, fiddling expenses, paying relatives inflated salaries for office duties......just a list of some of the things for which MPs have been sanctioned. AR hasn't done any of these things, she said she'd resign if she was found guilty over "Beergate" and seem to be disliked because she is "uncouth and uneducated". What a pity that someone with AR's intelligence and ability didn't receive a better start in life with access to the education that others have had but given her circumstances she didn't have that chance and that's sad. However, she does bring something extra to politics that most MPs don't and that is "real life experience" of disadvantage and a genuine wish to improve the lives of others. I think it would be a shame to have her as Deputy PM, she needs to be in Education or Health. Somewhere where she can make a proper difference, Deputy PM is a bit of a non job really.

Had AR had a better start in life she would be a different person, one who had gone to uni and forged a career for herself, not necessarily in politics. Her lack of chances are our gain given that she is a good MP and shadow minister.

MerylStreep

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

Quite
I’m northern, we moved all over Lancashire during my childhood. I became an expert at picking up the various slight difference in accents in towns 3 miles from each other.
My mother was strict with us about avoiding what she called string Northern accents. People will take 10 points off your IQ she’d tell us. We got expert at talking /lancs at school, but not so much at home.
Judgemental comments like the one showed by nana8 are as unacceptable as those directed at the Speaker or our Angela

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

I think you're being kind to Johnson there, Glorianny. Clever but utterly corrupt..

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

I think some people who are very clever lack practical ability. They pass exams and get degrees but they have no common sense or "nowse" as my mother called it.
Look at the last few PMs
Rishi-clever but no nowse!
Truss clever (she has a degree) but no nowse!
Johnson clever? but no common sense

I've been thinking about this thread and also about the standards of behaviour of MPs in the recent past. It's been pretty dreadful, hasn't it? Lying to parliament, fiddling taxes on a massive scale, breaking covid laws, groping men when drunk, groping women when sober and drunk, snorting cocaine, the disgraceful misuse of the honours system, fiddling expenses, paying relatives inflated salaries for office duties......just a list of some of the things for which MPs have been sanctioned. AR hasn't done any of these things, she said she'd resign if she was found guilty over "Beergate" and seem to be disliked because she is "uncouth and uneducated". What a pity that someone with AR's intelligence and ability didn't receive a better start in life with access to the education that others have had but given her circumstances she didn't have that chance and that's sad. However, she does bring something extra to politics that most MPs don't and that is "real life experience" of disadvantage and a genuine wish to improve the lives of others. I think it would be a shame to have her as Deputy PM, she needs to be in Education or Health. Somewhere where she can make a proper difference, Deputy PM is a bit of a non job really.

I wasn’t born clever nadateurbe
But lots of people think they were.

but being clever enables people to benefit more from their education.
You can't be proud of being born clever. You can be proud of working hard with whatever brains you're born with.
I worked with young people who were so proud of achieving City and Guilds.

maddyone

Posters are expressing support for vile language but disgust for education. I went through higher education as did my husband. Our three children all went to university, one of them to Oxford. I’m proud of their achievements and find the disgust expressed, especially re Oxford University to be inverted snobbery.
I’m an ex teacher. I believe in education for all whatever their background. However I am able to understand the difference between a degree and and a college education resulting in NVQs or their equivalent today.

Dispensation granted.

Maddyone no one expressed "disgust for education." I pointed out that education was more than the learning of facts but that is an insult to no one.

I have to admit I don't know where the NVQs come into your argument unless, of course, you are implying that education is just the goverment structured education system. If that is the case, we will have to agree to differ.

Maremia

Taking this back to the original Poster, Nicenanny, who in the present Government do you consider fit and worthy of being the DPM? I have to assume that, as you seem to dislike vulgarity, you wouldn't rate Anderson? Unless 'vulgarity' wasn't the problem.

I think you will be lucky if you get an answer Maremia. As far as I can see Nicenanny has not added a single post since she put up the rather inflammatory OP.

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

Maizie this comes up so often on this forum. I don’t agree that one needs to live of poverty to understand poverty , to become a mother at 16 to understand the difficulties of being a very young unmarried mother.

Anniebach

Maizie i don’t think either are relevant but some do

Apologies if I've misread you, Ab

Maizie i don’t think either are relevant but some do

Anniebach

Maizie neither or both are relevant

I'm sorry, Ab, but you are not explaining how property ownership is relevant.

Rayner's background gives her an understanding of the lives of the disadvantaged but I don't think that's particularly relevant. She could equally well have become a tory or a Lib Dem.

Casdon

MerylStreep

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

But that’s true of thousands of miles of coast path, with lots of landowners, isn’t it?

Without knowing the first thing about the situation, unless the landowner has prevented access to a legally designated public footpath they are completely within their rights to block access. We don't have a public 'right to roam' such as applies in Scotland.

Without knowing how the ownership of the land is arranged it is possible that Mr Benn would be happy to grant public access but is being overruled by other family members. It's possible that he could be looking to circumvent that by means of his Bill's proposals.

I agree that on the face of it it looks somewhat hypocritical, but it in no way debars him from being a Labour politician.

Taking this back to the original Poster, Nicenanny, who in the present Government do you consider fit and worthy of being the DPM? I have to assume that, as you seem to dislike vulgarity, you wouldn't rate Anderson? Unless 'vulgarity' wasn't the problem.

Point taken Dickens.

Maizie neither or both are relevant

Anniebach

Maizie how is Rayner being a mother at 16 relevant yet living in a country estate not relevant for a Labour MP. ?

You tell me why the ownership of a country estate has any bearing on the political activity of the owner.

Whereas I entirely support equal opportunities for all children there are many many reasons why some parents pay for their children’s education.

Yes, some reasons result from snobbery and others from social climbing, others just follow the same pattern that their families have followed for generations. Conversely there are parents who feel that local schools are not performing very well or may not have the funds to cater for the wide range of educational/medical needs that may be available elsewhere. It could be that many in this cohort really struggle to pay for their education, simply because they want to do their best for their children and make sure that every opportunity is available to them.

Those who go on to Russell Group universities, are, it is true coming from not only a mixture of schools, but also a wide range of backgrounds.

There is a reverse side of this coin. It is not unheard for university students from fee paying schools to withhold this information from their fellows so that they will not be labelled as ‘posh’. So the resentment and maligning can work both ways.

Every child in the country should have access to the best medical and educational support, selection for university should be made without knowledge of the child’s postal code or school. I just fear that this will not happen in my lifetime.