Woman of the Year

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

Dickens

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

No.

We always mute the adverts.

Callistemon21

Dickens

eazybee

Never heard of the award, nor the man involved.

Did you not hear about the 'Bud-Light' ad?

No.

We always mute the adverts.

Ah, I meant the news about the boycott of the ad - I'm not even sure it was seen on national TV... I also mute the ads .

Their sales had slumped so a new VP was hired who obviously instructed their marketing to come up with something more 'relevant' and 'inclusive' (the VP was a woman - a first for the company).

The ad featured Mulvaney with a personalised can of Bud-Light.

Their sales dropped. The right-wing was blamed for the ire it provoked (the ad I mean). I suppose it doesn't, didn't, occur to anyone that there are those on the Right, Left and in the Centre, or even politically homeless - especially women - who are fed-up with having TW marketed at us as a way of forcing acceptance that TWAW.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66398296

Ah, thank you.

Yes, the marketing was more about the person than the beer, by the sounds of it.

I am so tired of this being portrayed as politically right or left. It sits outside of that.

This is the advert:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2tujRTMHU0

I think Doodledog some people have it in for you. 💐

Thanks for the video - totally Yuk imo 😝

How many people here actually buy this magazine?

Because if you don't why on earth waste a moment of your life being offended that a magazine that is written for and bought by LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category?

Just seems odd to me

Other beliefs are also protected and trans people have rights too

Not the right for other people to have to pretend.

No one on this thread is denying trans people their rights. We often see this comment on these threads and I still have no idea what these rights that are supposedly being denied are.

Eddie Izzard has claimed his right to change his gender back and forth and has now changed his name to Suzy Eddie Izzard. So who are these people whose rights are being denied?

violetsky I haven’t fought in a war but I have a right to have an opinion about it I havent been to prison but I have a right to have an opinion
I don’t buy the magazine but I have every right to have an opinion on what I ve seen in its contents

This trans man is not a woman, HES A MAN

"LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category? " He may fall into their category of woman but not mine.

Doodledog

I am so tired of this being portrayed as politically right or left. It sits outside of that.

Criticism of the TWAW leitmotif is portrayed as stemming from 'right wing bigots' in order to damn it for that very reason, I suspect. Thereby nullifying it and decrying its validity - ergo any criticism makes you - a right wing bigot!

This also is said to play into the hands of those who spread hate and the violence that follows. Another way to close debate - by suggesting that the violence towards the transgender community is your fault.

It doesn't matter how many times you reiterate that there is no hatred, no wish to see any harm directed towards the TG community and that you are happy or even indifferent to the way they choose to live their lives, the word transphobia will pop up.

Sometimes, I really wish that matters like this could be discussed without reference to Right or Left because, as you say, this "sits outside of that". And, the fact is, that the Right can be very 'liberal' in their moral and cultural attitudes and conversely, the Left can also be very 'straight-laced' and conservative in theirs - it's well known that some of the so called working class are very conservative both politically and culturally. So it's a nonsense to make this a Right / Left matter.

Women from Left, Right and Centre and anywhere in between, are united.

VioletSky

How many people here actually buy this magazine?

Because if you don't why on earth waste a moment of your life being offended that a magazine that is written for and bought by LGBTQ+ people and their allies who all accept trans women as women gave an award for a person who qualifies for their category?

Just seems odd to me

Other beliefs are also protected and trans people have rights too

It doesn't matter who buys the magazine - I don't buy Time Magazine either, but the people who win their awards make it into the news, as has DM for winning this one. The fact that we are discussing this is a direct result.

Every time a man wins a female award two things happen. One is that a woman has been pushed out, and the other is that the idea that anyone can be a woman (and that men can make a better woman than actual women can) is absorbed into the public consciousness.

It seems odd to me that anyone wouldn't understand that.

Also, and of course this is not the main point, I'm not familiar with the readership of Attitude magazine - are you sure that you can speak for all of its readers, VS? As it appears to be a 'gay lifestyle' magazine there will almost certainly be readers who reject the 'T' in LGBT.

If it's any consolation doodle I dont think its absorbed into the public consciousness at all.

the idea that anyone can be a woman (and that men can make a better woman than actual women can) is absorbed into the public consciousness this for me is the most concerning issue Doodledog especially being absorbed into the public consciousness.

If it becomes 'the norm', it will cease to be challenged and where will we (women) be then?

But nobody believes it. You can see it when push comes to shove.
Look at the SNP debacle. People were just agog at their nonsense.

Galaxy

If it's any consolation doodle I dont think its absorbed into the public consciousness at all.

I don't know. The more people hear that a male person has won an award meant for women, the more normalised it becomes. I think that there are many people out there for whom the importance of this sort of thing doesn't seem relevant. It will be when they, or their daughters and granddaughters fall foul of the trans agenda, but until then many see it as about acceptance and 'inclusion'.

By which time it may be too late Doodledog.

Doodledog

I am so tired of this being portrayed as politically right or left. It sits outside of that.

Yes it does, but then the Morning Star supports the rights of women to retain their private spaces, and that's hardly right wing!

For the record, LBGQT magazine Attitude had just one “top” award each year and does not publicise a candidate list. It is not a question of other women being overlooked.

The award is named Man of the Year, Woman of the Year or Person of the Year according to how the person chosen to receive the award identifies.

In 2018, Man of the Year was awarded to British-Ghanian stylist Edward Enninful who identifies as male.

In 2019 Person of the Year was awarded to English singer Sam Smith who identifies as non-binary.

In 2020 Man of the Year was awarded to Welsh actor Luke Evans who identifies as male.

In 2021 Man of the Year was awarded to American actor Billy Porter who identifies as male.

In 2022 Man of the Year was awarded to Australian footballer Josh Cavallo who identifies as male.

In 2023 Woman of the Year was awarded to American social influencer Dylan Mulvaney who identifies as female.

Both right and left can have views, but that doesn't make it a right or left wing issue.

Those claiming it is right wing seem to be saying that resistance to pushing women aside for transwomen is about small-c conservatism and 'family values', and yes, extreme right wing regimes have based themselves on a perversion of those ideals; but left-wing dictators are equally authoritarian and have rarely if ever had women's interests at heart. Much of what makes a regime right or left-wing is about economics and how far the State should 'interfere' (or 'provide', depending on your point of view) with individuals' lives. How that manifests depends on the time and place, but anyone who sees the extreme left as any better or worse than the extreme right doesn't understand the concepts (and by that I don't mean that they don't agree with me ).

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Caravansera

For the record, LBGQT magazine Attitude had just one “top” award each year and does not publicise a candidate list. It is not a question of other women being overlooked.

The award is named Man of the Year, Woman of the Year or Person of the Year according to how the person chosen to receive the award identifies.

In 2018, Man of the Year was awarded to British-Ghanian stylist Edward Enninful who identifies as male.

In 2019 Person of the Year was awarded to English singer Sam Smith who identifies as non-binary.

In 2020 Man of the Year was awarded to Welsh actor Luke Evans who identifies as male.

In 2021 Man of the Year was awarded to American actor Billy Porter who identifies as male.

In 2022 Man of the Year was awarded to Australian footballer Josh Cavallo who identifies as male.

In 2023 Woman of the Year was awarded to American social influencer Dylan Mulvaney who identifies as female.

Amazing, thank you for sharing

Well that just puts a big roadblock in front of 90% of the comments on this thread doesn't it

What a wonderful thing they are doing btw