Woman of the Year

Galaxy

You are quite fickle as well in that not long ago you were saying you agreed with most I said but now apparently I reside in a void.

I prefer to think of you as Samantha Peterson the lost cat, living in the crack of my office wall*

*this may or may not have been a reference to Joe Lycett trolling his land lord, either way I imagine you as a fox living outside the constraints of voids or cracks in walls

Impossible to name anyone here on GN who has no compassion for the trans community Galaxy because quite simply there aren't any.

The better way is what the vast majority of the contributors to this and all the threads dealing with the trans issue are seeking, but as long as the minority of the trans community and those who support them continue to disregard the hard fought for rights of women, they will never seek and/or be satisfied with a better way.

Gender dysphoria affects a tiny number of children*. Most people, therefore, who 'transition' do not suffer from it, and the majority of transwomen do not 'transition' anyway, but retain male bodies. I'm not sure whether or not that applies to transmen.

The 'dark place' some of us occupy according to you, VS (and that is a nasty remark) is dark not because of the existence of transpeople, as we have said over and over, but because of the way some men use the cover of trans as a means to enter women's spaces, to prevent us from meeting in female groups and to remove opportunities for women to have prizes or competitions of our own, such as Woman Of The Year. It is also dark because of the way that children are told that unless they obey stereotypes they are 'in the wrong body', and because gay people are told they should 'reframe' their sexuality so that it becomes 'same gender attraction', and lesbians should have sex with transwomen.

* According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, gender dysphoria prevalence accounts for 0.005–0.014% of the population for biological males and 0.002–0.003% for biological females. In both Japan and Poland, the prevalence of gender dysphoria is higher in biological females. (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/09540261.2016.1125740?cookieSet=1?cookieSet=1)

Andrew Miller aka Amy George who used the 'cover' of being a woman to lure a girl into his car in order to subject her to hours of sexual abuse.

There's no darker place than that to inhabit is there.

Doodle . I meant to write ‘goady’’. At my age my fingers are a bit shaky. I was admitting I was being a bit ‘goady’ as per your accusation. I accepted that. But I accidentally hit an ‘s’ or perhaps thr iPad did that predictive thing.

You had no need to go in for a full scale attack.

As for the swearing then I’m with Dame Judy on that one.

VioletSky

Quokka you have certainly stepped into a dark place lol

The whole of "Gender dysphoria" reduced to "lying", as if that will cure the issue for them. I am sure conversion therapy providers everywhere thought so too until it failed and it became known transition was the only cure. I am afraid there is no empathy or compassion to be found in this void, I have searched at length

Haven’t I just stepped into a dark place indeed. A whole pile of doodah! 🤣

VioletSky

Quokka you have certainly stepped into a dark place lol

The whole of "Gender dysphoria" reduced to "lying", as if that will cure the issue for them. I am sure conversion therapy providers everywhere thought so too until it failed and it became known transition was the only cure. I am afraid there is no empathy or compassion to be found in this void, I have searched at length

No one is reducing GD to anything.

We are not discussing individuals who have genuine distress over the mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity or who were born with an indeterminate sex.

And you know it.

We are talking about the disruptors, the "Isla Brysons" the men who after conviction of a criminal offence committed as a man, decide they are women... those aggressive men who want to "decapitate TERFS", rape them with their "girl-dicks" - insert themselves into women's intimate spaces - and verbally and physically attack women who speak out against this.

No-one is talking about "conversion therapy" - no one is lacking empathy - we have told you time and time again that the trans community, be they TW or TM or anything in between, should be allowed to live their lives in peace, should be afforded the same dignity as anyone else and the same rights and protections.

The violence, the insults, are coming from TW who insist that we accept their male bodies as female. And we - as is our right - do not accept this concept and that is what we are debating.

You are stirring the pot VS, attempting to present us as GC activists. We are nothing of the kind. We are using our right to free speech to question the validity of assuming that young people who may be suffering any manner of anxieties caused by any number of factors are undecided about their gender identity. We are questioning why those years between childhood and adulthood are producing so many who are convinced they are 'in the wrong body'... because no-one is stopping to say, "hang on a minute - maybe this child is riddled with anxiety because he/she comes from an unstable background; has been neglected by his/her parents; is being bullied at school; cannot meet his/her parents' expectations academically; is suffering from sibling rivalry; is maybe made to feel like the 'unwanted child' from a late and accidental pregnancy; has parents who are addicted to drugs/alcohol; is suffering a home life where the parents are also suffering poverty; has a parent who's walked out on the marital home; has a parent who is disabled, etc, etc, etc".

We are trying to say that there are a myriad reasons why kids as they enter adulthood from childhood can suffer from depression and anxiety - and maybe at that tender age when they have no idea of what the adult world really is... we should examine other possibilities before recommending puberty blockers, chest binders, and all the other remedies for those with 'gender identity' problems. Because maybe they're not suffering from it? Maybe they're just trying to work out their place in this wholly mad world that we've created for them to inhabit, with all its insecurities, austerity, divisions, political wrangling. Not to mention the malign influence of social media, Tik-Tok, etc... children as young as seven are using adult social media sites, this in itself is cause for alarm.

Stop trying to paint us as transphobic villians VS, it's goading.

So please explain what crime Dylan Mulvaney is accused of? This is the first I’ve ever heard of him/her/that person.

Quokka

Bit difficult for me to participate as I have become selective about what I will read and just catch the odd tiny bit on "I'm on" or a new name that is worth a look

Don't let the doodah get you down!

I will admit VS to being baffled.

Janejudge you terrify me sometimes.
But I missed you

the problem with being selective is that there's a tendency to only read what suits one's own agenda.

Dylan Mulvaney decided to produce a daily tic tock diary about turning himself into a girl.
His first day included the lines

"‘My first day as a girl and I’ve already cried three times. I wrote a scathing email that I did not send, I ordered dresses online that I could not afford. And then, when someone asked how I was, I said I was fine when I wasn’t.’

That's what he thinks is behaving like a "girl"

He has made a lot of money from it.

Quokka

Doodle . I meant to write ‘goady’’. At my age my fingers are a bit shaky. I was admitting I was being a bit ‘goady’ as per your accusation. I accepted that. But I accidentally hit an ‘s’ or perhaps thr iPad did that predictive thing.

You had no need to go in for a full scale attack.

As for the swearing then I’m with Dame Judy on that one.

I can only respond to what I read, I'm afraid . If you type something the opposite of what you mean (and I understand that it happens) I can't be expected to know, can I? I didn't go on the attack, so much as on the defence - as you say, you admit to being goady, so - you know. . .

I am not looking to goad anyone - I don't understand the accusations on these threads, as it is very rarely that anyone is anything but supportive of transpeople. Out comments are misread and misrepresented so that it appears as though there is one faction arguing for tolerance and inclusivity and another for prejudice and exclusion. That is really not the case.

Many of us who are on this thread want transwomen to lead a peaceful happy life in their new persona.

It’s the aggressive threatening haranguing transwomen who cause the trouble, try to take over women’s sport, beauty contests and my WI ! They should have their own clubs especially for transwomen and not allow natal women to join. It’s only fair.

And if anyone tells me a transwomen is a woman ‘I will scream and scream and scream’ like Violet Elizabeth Bott in Just William. 🤯

NanKate

Many of us who are on this thread want transwomen to lead a peaceful happy life in their new persona.

It’s the aggressive threatening haranguing transwomen who cause the trouble, try to take over women’s sport, beauty contests and my WI ! They should have their own clubs especially for transwomen and not allow natal women to join. It’s only fair.

And if anyone tells me a transwomen is a woman ‘I will scream and scream and scream’ like Violet Elizabeth Bott in Just William. 🤯

Actually, I wouldn't mind a TW joining the WI - if the reason for doing so was simply because they were interested in the WI, it's activities etc. If they simply wanted to fit in and join in those activities and not radicalise it to suit their agenda - why not?

I once joined a group of enthusiasts - all male - who were into restoring old steam engines because at that time, I was a steam engine enthusiast. I was given a pair of overalls and just had to fit in, scraping, wire-brushing and (if I was lucky) painting. I would've been miffed if they'd refused my entry to their hallowed circle - in fact, I was invited to join because they needed more 'enthusiasts' willing to give up hours of their spare time. I learned a lot - but I never believed it made me 'one of the lads' - I was just part of a team with one sole purpose, restoration.

VioletSky

Quokka

Bit difficult for me to participate as I have become selective about what I will read and just catch the odd tiny bit on "I'm on" or a new name that is worth a look

Don't let the doodah get you down!

VS and Quokka

In case you missed it, Quokka, Smileless2012 has an accurate response to your statement.

hmm the problem with being selective is that there's a tendency to only read what suits one's own agenda.

I don’t let your doodah get me down VS.

I always see it for what it is.

Dickens I understand what you are saying but we have women in our WI who have experienced abusive relationships and the WI is/was a safe haven for them. I am sure many transwomen are not a threat, but it is the rogue ones that scare me. Also a transwomen can change their bodies but they will still have a male brain.

The most worrying part imo is that the WI accepts transwomen who have not fully transitioned, so they can present as a women with male genitalia!

Not only that, but the first male WI member is now part of the leadership- that’s the sort of thing that annoys me.

Exactly Doodledog

I agree too Doodledog It's the immediate promotion to positions of power and influence that's so objectionable.

On a more frivolous note......

twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1714752742009307570

This transwoman has been named 92nd hottest woman in the world according to Maxim magazine in Australia. Who'd want to be named 93rd to 100th? They couldn't find enough "hotter" women of the female variety to knock Dani down to 101st?

I'm a member of the Mothers Union, an organisation that includes men in their membership.

The WI either accepts male members or it doesn't. If it doesn't then trans women shouldn't be accepted because they are men, not women.

Our MU calls itself a PU (parents’ union). It means that men can join without having to lie. The few fathers we have so far, like a group they can join that doesn’t involve drinking and appreciates that men “like making jam” too.
Strangely, again so far, the men don’t rush for positions of power. They’re happy for women to do the nitty gritty stuff, but they’re willing to help out at functions etc.

That sums it up perfectly Mollygo.

I have been watching the news this evening about the dreadful war Hammas v Israel and the BBC Interviewer mentioned ‘pregnant people’ 😳 it’s pregnant women you Wally.

That’s fine having men in the Mother’s Union if this is in your rules but the transwomen have infiltrated the WI with the support of the National Federation of WIs without a vote by all the members. We are supposed to be democratic.