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I've had my eyes opened...

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vampirequeen Fri 27-Oct-23 18:46:03

This week I've been attending a Crown Court trial in the public gallery. To say my eyes have been opened in several ways is a total understatement.

Firstly I was stunned by the level of security. I expected a bag search and metal detector but I got confused about the drink I had in my bag. I thought the man had asked me to throw it away so I said, 'No, problem. Where's the bin?' This created some concern and the man repeated himself. He didn't want me to throw it away. He wanted to see me drink from the bottle. Apparently it's to make sure that the bottle doesn't contain acid. All courts share news of what incidents have occurred then they all set protections in place.

They patrol the public areas all the time and have CCTV. They also have to be careful that fire hoses can't be used as weapons, either to strangle or hit with.

All cutlery in the cafe is really soft wood that bends when you use it. This is to stop them being used as stabbing weapons.

We got chatting to a family who seemed very pleasant and, to be honest, they remained very pleasant with us. It turns out they're incredibly violent and well known in the Court.

One of the security guards told me that I was the most innocent person in the ways of the world that he had ever met.

The case I was at was very unpleasant as it involved a sexual offence against a child. We went because we had reported this person to the police in 2017. The police took us seriously but they passed it on to Social Services who dismissed as liars. They said that DH was being a vindictive man who was trying to cause trouble and told him that if he continued with his allegations they (social services) would make sure that he never saw his children again. He couldn't take that risk so he let it go and we watched helplessly but the man seemed to stop (although we thought that he probably hadn't.) Our hands were tied. We'd given over all the evidence that we had and it had not only been dismissed but had come with a threat. Sadly this had given the person the opportunity to continue to offend. Fortunately, this time, the case was taken seriously and the creature was found guilty by every member of the jury.

What has opened my eyes about this? It's how many people in the family still refuse to believe that he has done anything wrong. They say that it was all a mistake or a miscarriage of justice. We were in the court room. We heard the evidence and know what he did. They weren't there. They just want to brush it under the carpet and forget it happened. We've argued that this man potentially poses a threat to the children of the family, in the hope that they would at least be concerned about their own but no one seems to want to know. Apparently we're just being nasty. So we've told them that if anything else ever happens then it's on their heads.

We thought that once he'd been found guilty, people would see that we were right but sadly we're still the bad guys.

fancythat Sat 28-Oct-23 15:33:22

Anyhoo. That is what I saw.

In the Magistrates Court, things were only slightly different. A little more interaction between the acused people.

As the op says, eyes were opened.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 28-Oct-23 15:40:56

He wouldn’t get a note, he could pass one to his lawyer if he wanted.

It sounds as though the man declined to give evidence, assuming this actually was a trial - your lack of understanding of what went on leaves me uncertain that it was. Committal proceedings or a bail hearing perhaps? If you don’t know, having been there, we certainly don’t. But no trial is a fait accompli and I’m very disappointed that you should think it would be.

fancythat Sat 28-Oct-23 17:02:47

It was at a low level Crown Court.

There was no jury if that makes things clearer.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 28-Oct-23 17:09:50

There is no such thing as a ‘low level’ Crown Court. It either is a Crown Court or it isn’t.

If there was no jury perhaps the accused had already pleaded guilty, or been found guilty at an earlier hearing, and this was a sentencing hearing?

You have made some very unpleasant accusations on the basis of no knowledge whatsoever of what was actually happening.

fancythat Sat 28-Oct-23 18:26:19

It was a Crown Court in that case.

He may have pleaded guilty or been found guilty earlier.

Iam64 Sat 28-Oct-23 18:28:47

Maybe fancythat means a Magistrates Court? the accused is still legally represented and ‘speaks” when giving evidence. Court rooms are places of discipline and follow set procedures, no one speaks unless it’s their ‘turn’. The Judge is the exception, s/he can intervene or make comment. Making a comment is rare -so every party takes account

specki4eyes Sun 29-Oct-23 13:08:37

Oh Jaxjacky, I was just offering a reflection...not intending to start a statistics competition.
I play tennis on Friday mornings. At a certain time a 'crocodile' of teenagers passes by on their way to do keep fit on the adjacent field, chattering happily together as they go. Each and every one of them politely and happily shouts 'Bonjour!' to us. Compare and contrast, without reference to your statistics.
This is what prompted my discussion with my friend.