Endometriosis charity appoints trans woman as the new head of the organisation.

It'll blow over when the media circus moves on. 9f course, some activists will try to keep it alive but I doubt it's got legs.

Smileless2012

Of course minorities have rights Glorianny but those rights should not be at the expense of others. There are women who use this particular organisation for support, who object to being referred too as people. What about their rights?

I'll ask what I always ask on any thread that discusses transgender, what rights are the transgender community being denied?

Individually they can be called women Smileless2012 that is their right.
But the service is provided for people.
Some people don't want to be called women.

It always amuses me that those who think that transmen are women, refuse nonetheless to allow them the right to identify as they wish. It's blatant discrimination. Only women who think or behave correctly are acceptable,. Twas always thus.

Glorianny I thought most people accepted that minorities still have rights. Isn't that what women were until very recently? Women's lack of rights had nothing to do with being a minority, and everything to do with the power of men. The push to deny women agency over their spaces, sports, awards etc etc is driven once more by men, those males that are just misogynists and those males who consider themselves to be 'women'. Having identified into an oppressed group some of these male 'women' think they should rule the roost and oppress the real women. Of course it helps when the oppressor is aided and abetted by members of the oppressed. Plus ça change.................

Some people don't want to be called women As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

women and other people with endometriosis excellent suggestion Rosie. It doesn't amuse me Glorianny that because of how some trans women and some trans men choose to identify, that women should be referred too as people. That is not allowing women to be referred too how they wish.

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

women and other people with endometriosis excellent suggestion.

I don’t think anyone will ever convince me that anyone but women can have endometriosis. Nor can anyone but men have prostrate cancer.
I’m quite happy for people to identify as whichever sex they wish but that does not make it so.

Rosie51

^Some people don't want to be called women^ As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

Doesn't that mean that really women aren't classified as people?
I don't mind what people want to be called.
But if a service is for people why not just say so?

No one is dictating what terms are acceptable, apart from those who don't want to be inclusive and cater for all people, women, transmen and non-binary.

NanKate

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

Rosie51, there are some on GN who might criticise your views on this, some who may think anyone who objects is out of step, an old fuddy-duddy etc.

However, there are posters on Mumsnet, where the demographic is probably younger, who agree with you.
One says that Petra's wife is a big cheese at local and national level so this sounds like nepotism too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820740-remember-petra-wenham-the-first-transwoman-to-be-on-the-wi-mag-cover

Rosie's suggestion is inclusive Glorrianny and manages to be so without eradicating the word women.

Rosie51

^Some people don't want to be called women^ As the vast majority want to be called women, perhaps they could advertise their services to 'women and other people with endometriosis'? That way everybody is happy. It is remarkable that women who want to opt out of woman identity, feel quite at home dictating to all the other women what terms are unacceptable.

The majority of sufferers will be women.

Transmen will be a minority. As will the non-binary who don't appear to have been mentioned.

So your suggestion fits perfectly well. People gives entirely the wrong impression about this disease.

No one is dictating what terms are acceptable, apart from those who don't want to be inclusive and cater for all people

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Callistemon21

NanKate

Thank you Doodledog for highlighting Petra Wenham the transwoman who is moving up the ranks in the WI, without a group vote by its members.

I wrote to my County WI to say I had been given short shrift from National WI and could our WI get support. She wrote back an apologetic email saying anything to do with trans could only be answered by National and she had emailed my concerns on. As expected National ignored my further concerns.

I have come to the conclusion that Transwomen are more important to the WI than long standing members. It is a disgrace.

Rosie51, there are some on GN who might criticise your views on this, some who may think anyone who objects is out of step, an old fuddy-duddy etc.

However, there are posters on Mumsnet, where the demographic is probably younger, who agree with you.
One says that Petra's wife is a big cheese at local and national level so this sounds like nepotism too.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820740-remember-petra-wenham-the-first-transwoman-to-be-on-the-wi-mag-cover

Prejudice has never been subject to age. Quite the reverse
Women grow radical with age. One day an army of gray-haired women may quietly take over the earth. Gloria Steinem.

Yes that's why older women and I actually include MN in that, are challenging this regressive sexist nonsense.

Galaxy

Yes that's why older women and I actually include MN in that, are challenging this regressive sexist nonsense.

We're challenging misogyny by aggressive males, who think, because they claim to be women, they can just walk into the top jobs in any organisation by whatever means.

Unfortunately, there are some people who think they should have that right simply because they claim to be women and must therefore never be challenged.

It isn't radical to dictate what terms people use to refer to themselves or to refuse to recognise those terms.

As I said women can be called women, transmen can be called transmen, non-binary people can be called non-binary. But the service is for people. Just because a majority are women does not mean the service should refer only to women.

As I said it is nothing to do with women
From the Prostate Cancer site
Treatment for prostate cancer will depend on your individual circumstances. For many people with prostate cancer, no treatment will be necessary. (underlined so you can't miss it),
Really the offences some take are just not there.

As I said women can be called women, transmen can be called transmen, non-binary people can be called non-binary. But the service is for people. Just because a majority are women does not mean the service should refer only to women.

But what you say won't matter, will it? Steph uses terms such as 'TERF's, 'menstruators' and 'so-called males'. Maybe have a word with Steph about what you say can happen?

Opening page of Prostate Cancer UK

prostatecanceruk.org/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3uGqBhDdARIsAFeJ5r2fRLhLjR_KfBsoLyqTtoVt5--p4-U95xNIci0bc42pjSWznVKXaT8aAjnVEALw_wcB

Oh my, all those mentions of men! Not quite how you're painting them Glorianny

At the bottom of the front page.

Funding research that will stop men dying from prostate cancer oh my goodness, someone should tell them it's people that die of prostate cancer, people!!

From the NHS prostate cancer overview www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

For reasons not yet understood, prostate cancer is more common in black men and less common in Asian men.

Men whose father or brother were affected by prostate cancer are at slightly increased risk themselves.

You must have searched very thoroughly to find your quote Glorianny perhaps you could provide the actual link so we can all see it. thanks?

Doodledog

*As I said women can be called women, transmen can be called transmen, non-binary people can be called non-binary. But the service is for people. Just because a majority are women does not mean the service should refer only to women.*

But what you say won't matter, will it? Steph uses terms such as 'TERF's, 'menstruators' and 'so-called males'. Maybe have a word with Steph about what you say can happen?

Maybe have a word with Steph about what you say can happen?

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And - what's wrong with Steve?

It's a non-gender name.
I even know a cat called Steve, so however one wishes to identify.

If a transwoman is a real woman and a tradesman a real man as some would have us believe, how is it that one can suffer from prostate cancer and the other from endometriosis ? Could it be that although surgically and chemically they present as the sex they desire to be they aren't really are they.

Good question, Keeper1. don't hold your breath while waiting for an answer though.

Rosie51

From the NHS prostate cancer overview www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/

For reasons not yet understood, prostate cancer is more common in black men and less common in Asian men.

Men whose father or brother were affected by prostate cancer are at slightly increased risk themselves.

You must have searched very thoroughly to find your quote Glorianny perhaps you could provide the actual link so we can all see it. thanks?

First page of the NHS treatment
www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/treatment/
Later accounts tend to use men because treatment specifically for transwomen depend on their circumstances and the surgery they have had.