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Anyone just watched Mr Bates v the Post Office? *GNHQ tweaked the title*

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sazz1 Mon 01-Jan-24 22:19:16

So sad watching this. My lovely local Post Office closed down because of it. It was owned by a lovely family and their son was accused of theft as he was the postmaster. He went to prison for 18 months. His mum told customers it was the new Horizon system but rumours spread that he was a thief. Nobody would use their little corner shop anymore and people were racist against them as they were an Asian family. He was the nicest, most efficient postmaster and was super fast with serving you. So very sad they lost their home and business.

Amalegra Thu 04-Jan-24 16:00:46

Disgusting and shameful that the Post Office and their managers/executives have never been properly held to account for this dreadful miscarriage of justice. So many lives ruined and even lost because of it. Compensation has STILL not been paid out correctly. And the former chief executive daring to masquerade as a C of E priest without admitting to any wrongdoing whatsoever-such utter hypocrisy! Am surprised and disappointed this ‘revered’ institution would have her in such circumstances-NOT a good look, is it? Just makes me even more wary of our ‘powers that be’; I don’t trust any of them these days. Corruption everywhere!

Kamiso Thu 04-Jan-24 16:20:57

Vennells should be made to pay back the money she earned so dishonestly along with the so called golden handshake. Perhaps it would stir up empathy with those people she so easily scammed and cheated.

She should definitely be prosecuted and sentenced to a term of imprisonment like her victims. The Japanese company should also be held to account and current contracts cancelled.

Daisydaisydaisy Thu 04-Jan-24 16:35:23

Hi
Yes I watched it too ….blooming awful !!!🥲

icanhandthemback Thu 04-Jan-24 16:36:52

Callistemon21

Adam Crozier:

Chairman of Whitbread (2018–present)
Chairman of BT Group (2021–present)

🤔

I can only assume he has more hours in the day than the rest of us to give both organisations his full focus.

Adam Crozier was CEO from 2003-2010.

RakshaMK Thu 04-Jan-24 16:38:25

My Dad worked for the company that became part of Fujitsu from WWII until its take over by Fujitsu when he took early retirement. As a result I have an interest in and belong to ex employers fb group.
The vast majority are disgusted by the way the PO Sub post masters were treated.
I've also noticed PO Life Insurance adverts on fb have promoted huge responses, angry faces and posts of support and sympathy.

DrWatson Thu 04-Jan-24 16:40:31

For Auntieflo, as you say "What IT testing"?? There IS an enquiry, and Vennells is booked to be there, the TV news that reported that y'day (as a result of the series) pointed out that the enquiry venue is right next to a Post Office!

Any of Newsnight's fast receding viewer numbers might have seen a LibDem woman tapdancing frantically away from pointed questions re their present leader (SIR Ed Davey now) and his flat refusal to meet the blighted postmaster/mistress corps when he was (in the coalition Govt) THE Minister responsible for the PO! He HAS released a statement about how he's terribly sorry, and that he was grossly misled by PO 'officials'. Ho-ho, backtrack, shuffle, swerve, avoid, deny, etc! [NB That isn't having a pop at LibDems especially, ANY politico, any badge, would be doing the same frantic routine to try and evade all the issues!].

Liz46 Thu 04-Jan-24 16:40:48

Petition signed and shared to Facebook. Thanks for the link Maggiemaybe.

Callistemon21 Thu 04-Jan-24 16:41:47

I don't think Vennalls deliberately cheated anyone out of the money which those desperate people paid to the Post Office for their non-existent debts.
She was just too thick, too intransigent, too obstructive to believe for one moment that the Horizon computer system was less than robust and believed that all those sub-postmasters were thieves.
She certainly is not fit to be an Anglican priest.

Fujitsu needs investigating for criminal activity too.

Greciangirl Thu 04-Jan-24 16:44:55

That horrible woman, Paula Vennells should be prosecuted.

I was absolutely dumbfounded when I read that she got £400,000 bonus and a CBE and she was a priest.

Apparently, she resigned her post in the end.

I just hope she has a conscience.

I feel like strangling her. I am so angry at her behaviour.

BazingaGranny Thu 04-Jan-24 16:54:40

Have just been sent this …

I just signed the petition calling on Paula Vennells, the former CEO of the Post Office to be stripped of her CBE. Will you sign too? you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/strip-paula-vennells-of-her-cbe?bucket=mailing_43897&source=whatsapp-share-button&utm_campaign=blast43897&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=whatsapp&share=beb3ae4e-5f25-4d08-bec2-494c2ae44f16

MaizieD Thu 04-Jan-24 16:58:36

There is a public inquiry. It started in 2020 and it is ongoing. Anyone who could be bothered to search for it could have found it really easily, as I did. It was the very first item on the page of links that I posted on page 1 of this thread.

www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/

It is a very interesting read, though time consuming, I've been looking at some of the witness sessions and opening submissions.

While I understand that Vennells behaved disgracefully I think it rather hard that she is the only one getting the real hate from the public. The prosecutions started before she was made CEO. One hopes that the CEO in place when they started is also to be questioned at the Inquiry. There are also many other Post Office and Fujitsu employees implicated.

Fujitsu currently has several very lucrative government contracts and continues to run Horizon for the Post Office...

www.theregister.com/2023/04/18/fujitsu_gets_142_million_uk/

Lovetopaint037 Thu 04-Jan-24 17:04:51

At least you can check your account whenever you want to So not waiting for a statement to arrive.

Spanisheyes Thu 04-Jan-24 17:06:06

There is a petition you can sign to have Paula Vennels CBE taken off her, I’ve done it already. I found it on Gov.UK

Harris27 Thu 04-Jan-24 17:12:55

People need to be accountable. This is the worst miscarriage of justice by a British institution that I always admired. Terrible.

hollie57 Thu 04-Jan-24 17:16:40

Absolutely agree with you

hollie57 Thu 04-Jan-24 17:19:10

Couldn’t agree more with you totally disgusting what they have done to all those innocent families!!!!!

OldFrill Thu 04-Jan-24 17:21:58

Why was there no mention of Adam Crozier ?

Callistemon21 Thu 04-Jan-24 17:31:06

OldFrill

Why was there no mention of Adam Crozier ?

Odd, isn't it.

He left as CEO of Riyal Mail Group to become CEO of ITV and this was an ITV production.
🤔

Shizam Thu 04-Jan-24 18:22:51

It’s brilliantly done. So shocking and sad. I want to know what happened to the money that ‘disappeared’ from all of these post office accounts. And to the money paid back by the postmasters and mistresses. And why is Horizon still used by the post office? And why Paula Vennells still has a CBE? And Sir Ed Davey was post office minister at the time. Refused to meet Alan Bates. Disgraceful.

Joseann Thu 04-Jan-24 18:52:06

While I understand that Vennells behaved disgracefully I think it rather hard that she is the only one getting the real hate from the public. The prosecutions started before she was made CEO.
Hi MaizieD, is this because she lied and appeared to be very difficult during the investigation? As I saw it, she just came out with platitudes that were untrue, and she surely knew it. There was no positive gesture on her part to want to put things right.

Greciangirl Thu 04-Jan-24 19:00:18

Petition signed.

Suzieque66 Thu 04-Jan-24 19:04:32

Such a terrible story about the Post Office ... a few years ago the Post Office was offering a high rate of interest to savers .. the money went into the Bank of Ireland but the Post Office held the account. When I invested some money they gave me a small receipt and told me I would get a book with the savings shown... I never got a book and when I enquired a month later they had no record of it !!! After months and months I couldnt get any information as to where my money was and we needed it to move house ! ... Eventually I got the Ombadsman involved and he sorted it out for me

eazybee Thu 04-Jan-24 19:07:24

There is a documentary tonight at 10.45 pm on ITV about the Post Office, made by the people who made the drama series. They usually only make documentaries, but the story was too good to miss, and has had far more impact as a drama.

And Paula Vennells was the CEO, head of command. Of course she should take responsibility. She was happy enough to take the salary, the bonus and the CBE.

JennyCee Thu 04-Jan-24 19:09:59

I would like to know what happened to all the “money” they say the Post Office Managers stole. How much was there and when will they give this “stolen” money back? It appears now that the PO are in effect recipients of money received unlawfully.

Callistemon21 Thu 04-Jan-24 19:33:43

eazybee

There is a documentary tonight at 10.45 pm on ITV about the Post Office, made by the people who made the drama series. They usually only make documentaries, but the story was too good to miss, and has had far more impact as a drama.

And Paula Vennells was the CEO, head of command. Of course she should take responsibility. She was happy enough to take the salary, the bonus and the CBE.

"The buck stops here"