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Maggierose Wed 31-Jan-24 18:09:46

Every time I buy my usual tinted moisturiser I always have the same conversation with the shop assistant. I buy Laura Mercier in the Nude shade. I point out that I am surprised that they haven’t changed the name of the shade because the shade is only suitable for white women whereas Nude could apply to any skin shade. They don’t really get my point; the last time I bought it in a Space NK shop I was assured that the product came in shades for all skin colours. The daftest response came in Selfridges where the assistant thought for a moment then said, “Well we do have it in Natural.” Am I being pedantic?

Missiseff Sun 04-Feb-24 16:33:18

What's it got to do with the shop assistant?

payens1 Sun 04-Feb-24 16:44:15

Yes very!!

Gundy Sun 04-Feb-24 16:55:06

If you look at the Revlon display of lipsticks they have a whole color spectrum under the label of Nude(s). The colors range from light to dark - just like skin tones.

They use the term Nude to depict a look of not wearing anything of (bright or intense) color, meaning women can choose a shade as close to their lip/skin tone as they wish.

Some women who are not into full makeup still use a lipstick to keep their lips moisturized.

Personally I’m glad that trend of lifeless “nude” is phasing out. The In Look now is Intense, Bold Colors, and Red - thanks to Taylor Swift

Grammaretto Sun 04-Feb-24 17:11:52

I have always assumed nude meant colourless/transparent so thanks for putting me right.
Not pedantic at all except annoying for the poor salesgirl but even she should be able to answer a simple question about a product she's selling

John Lewis take note. Their assistants used to be knowledgeable but not any more. I was in haberdashery looking for a particular size of circular needle. The member of staff replied with " I haven't a clue, sorry"😑

Madmeg Sun 04-Feb-24 17:12:44

Have I got the wrong end of the stick? Has the OP upset someone on here in the past? Surely she is just telling us about a conversation she has with a shop assistant, probably in a light-hearted manner, regarding something she imagines the assistant might be interested in and find amusing. Not expecting for it to be investigated or reported back to HO, but purely as a bit of conversation.

Surely she doesn't need to be told to get a life - she may well have a very good one, which includes making conversation with sales assistants. It's surely just chit-chat.

Scotgirlnick Sun 04-Feb-24 17:44:47

Makeup companies and tights manufacturers really need to wake up and realise that they need to change these descriptors, which are based in a subconscious racist outlook that nude skin is pink. Snag tights which fit a wide range of sizes have tackled this and call pale shades, milk bottle or coffee latte etc. referring back to 1922 and the OED , is only referring back to the lack of awareness in the past. We can do better

Elegran Sun 04-Feb-24 18:14:24

It isn't really racist (conscious or unconscious) - which implies that the race being referred to is somehow inferior to the one doing the referring. It is the colour of the skin which the speaker or manufacturer is most accustomed to seeing nude and mentally imagines. It would be better described as old-fashioned, like mentally picturing phone boxes as red.

rafichagran Sun 04-Feb-24 18:30:00

Pippa22

For goodness sake maggierose , you must be losing the plot. The world is in chaos, maybe on the brink of WW3 and you are fussing about the colour of make up you buy. You are more than pedantic you must be really short of things in your life to get involved in. You must be really boring, get out and do something stimulating and useful, charities are always looking for volunteers.

Very rude post. People are aware of what's happening in the world, it does not stop them talking about every day things though.

NotSpaghetti Sun 04-Feb-24 19:11:12

Stage make up (oil based sticks) used to be known by numbers I seem to remember.
The "greasepaint" Leichner ones.

DrWatson Sun 04-Feb-24 20:17:05

Yes Tin. If you're going to have what looks like fits over such a meaning/definition, I'd suggest that you never examine a paint sample 'leaflet', with maybe 15 versions of pink they've had to find names for, 17 blues, etc etc?! Car colour options too . . .

Daisydaisydaisy Sun 04-Feb-24 21:37:06

If you didn’t say the same thing then you wouldn’t get the same reply 🤣🤣🤣

Sasta Mon 05-Feb-24 00:53:09

Maggierose

Every time I buy my usual tinted moisturiser I always have the same conversation with the shop assistant. I buy Laura Mercier in the Nude shade. I point out that I am surprised that they haven’t changed the name of the shade because the shade is only suitable for white women whereas Nude could apply to any skin shade. They don’t really get my point; the last time I bought it in a Space NK shop I was assured that the product came in shades for all skin colours. The daftest response came in Selfridges where the assistant thought for a moment then said, “Well we do have it in Natural.” Am I being pedantic?

You are not being pedantic Maggierose. About 15 years ago my daughter and I were shocked when buying a well known body moisturiser that gave the skin a tanned glow. The colour was listed as ‘normal’ 🤷🏻‍♀️. To whom?

Grammaretto Mon 05-Feb-24 01:52:01

Snag tights are ace scotgirlnick I am a convert.

How very rude some people are on here.
If all of us lived as though our daily lives weren't important, we'd never get out of bed and be very depressed.
Take note: Pippa22

mabon2 Mon 05-Feb-24 12:59:17

Yes

Maggierose Mon 05-Feb-24 13:25:15

Exactly, Madmeg! Was very surprised at people’s hostile reactions.

Oldnproud Mon 05-Feb-24 13:43:09

Madmeg

Have I got the wrong end of the stick? Has the OP upset someone on here in the past? Surely she is just telling us about a conversation she has with a shop assistant, probably in a light-hearted manner, regarding something she imagines the assistant might be interested in and find amusing. Not expecting for it to be investigated or reported back to HO, but purely as a bit of conversation.

Surely she doesn't need to be told to get a life - she may well have a very good one, which includes making conversation with sales assistants. It's surely just chit-chat.

You have written exactly what I thought. It is actually a relief to find that I am not the only one who took it that way!

Grandmafrench Mon 05-Feb-24 13:51:25

Please don't be surprised, OP. Most of us on Gransnet - those who don't need to hector, condescend, patronise, show off, argue or bully to defeat anything they're feeling vinegar-y about, don't bother to respond. That's definitely something for which life is too damn short. Ignore the nonsense, you'll eventually see it's mostly the same people making the same pronouncements.
Have an opinion, have a good day, live your life and don't let snarky comments deter you from posting !

Marydoll Mon 05-Feb-24 17:52:24

The thing is, some posters may be struggling badly and may find it difficult to cope with reading what seems like a moan about something as trivial as the colour of make up, when their own life is truly awful.
It is not surprising they may come across as vinegar-y. It's often difficult to ascertain whether a post is tongue in cheek, because the person is not standing in front of you.

Curlywhirly Mon 05-Feb-24 18:15:15

Marydoll

The thing is, some posters may be struggling badly and may find it difficult to cope with reading what seems like a moan about something as trivial as the colour of make up, when their own life is truly awful.
It is not surprising they may come across as vinegar-y. It's often difficult to ascertain whether a post is tongue in cheek, because the person is not standing in front of you.

I totally agree Marydoll.

Marydoll Mon 05-Feb-24 18:35:22

Some of you know I struggle with chronic ill health. I have felt particularly awful this week and on occasions have read a post and thought, Why are you moaning about something so trivial? However, I know that my perception or interpretation may be flawed and that I am particularly vinegar-y, because I have a mountain to climb to get through the day. Therefore, I try to refrain from commenting (it isn't easy) because I am a grumpy old woman. I don't always succeed and may come across as nippy. It does not mean I am a bad person.

LauraNorderr Mon 05-Feb-24 18:38:45

I agree wholeheartedly with grandmafrench, always the voice of calm and reason, always pleasant.
I’m afraid that I can’t agree with those who feel that our own trials and tribulations are an excuse to be rude or unpleasant to others.
I get the impression that the OP is simply expressing surprise that a shade she assumed meant something along the lines of naked and therefore suitable for all might seem insensitive to those of different colour.
She doesn’t say the same to the same shop assistant every time as she has made her purchases in various stores. I assume that she is just reminded of those thoughts at time of purchase and so makes comment.
No biggy, it’s just a chat.

Caleo Mon 05-Feb-24 18:44:28

In the 1930s Britain there was an accepted name in fasions for a brown hue : n------r .

Marydoll Mon 05-Feb-24 18:48:39

One's own trials are not being advocated as an excuse, I'm just trying to explain that we never quite know what is going on in another's life and how it is affecting them. This may be reflected in their post.
No-one is perfect. You never know what is ahead of you. Compassion and kindness cost nothing.

oodles Mon 05-Feb-24 19:05:47

It needs renaming for sure. I personally have very pale skin and many standard light coloured foundations are too dark.
I have in the past tried to buy cosmetics for a very dark skinned friend, very few ranges have a good range of foundations etc for dark skin. And having to go to specialist shops or stalls to get greetings cards for those with darker skin, very few available, if the bride or groom are black, I don't want to send a card with white couples on, or new baby ones, having to get ones without an actual baby on as their baby is not going to be pink and blonde haired. An irritation for me ,but what about if most people you send cards to need people with darker skins.

LauraNorderr Mon 05-Feb-24 19:08:45

We are in complete agreement Marydoll, compassion and kindness cost nothing.
As you have said previously if one feels snippy or vinegary then don’t post. Why spoil someone else’s day because ours is not good.