Transgender women and an early state pension.

Galaxy

It looks like any other discrimination. So for example refusing someone a job because they are a Christian is discrimination. Me saying I dont believe in God is not discrimination.

That's discrimination

I asked What does transphobia look like?

Two anecdotal accounts, one from 2021 the other from 2022. The second anecdotal account of one woman slams the BBC for publishing an article because the survey was of only 80 lesbians! Honestly you couldn't make it up.

Good job I refreshed before posting, now you're dragging in a disputed incident from Canada.

I remember those tshirts Galaxy the laddos thought they were so clever and funny. It's amazing how many transwomen claim to be lesbians, I'm sure the percentage is much higher than amongst the female population.

So things aren't real if they are recent history? That's an odd thought

Its looks like other discrimination as I said in my post.
So if you refused to employ a trans person as a train driver that's transphobia, in the same way as if you refused to employ a Christian to drive the train it would be discrimination. However me saying I dont believe in God is not discrimination and me saying men cant become women is not transphobia. We dont have to believe what you do.

Sorry that needs to be clearer. If you refused to employ them because of their trans status or because of their religion, that's discrimination, you can obviously refuse to employ them for hundreds of other reasons such as inability to drive!

No VS, transgenders do not make changes to their bodies to bring their sex in line with their gender. They make changes to represent outwardly, what they believe inwardly their gender should be.

They cannot bring their sex in line with their gender, they cannot change their sex, only their outward appearance.

It's up to the individual lesbian whether or not they date a trans woman. Some may regard that as a lesbian relationship while others may not and not wish to date a trans woman, which is why they were not welcomed to a particular lesbian dating event.

They have the right to make that choice and to not be accused of transphobia if they choose not to date trans women.

No, it's more than that

For example, I would term homophobia as fear, hatred, disgust and prejudice among others

Would you agree?

VioletSky

That is not the point

The point is that gender dysphoria is when a person's sex does not match their gender

Ergo, they are not the sex they wish to be.

Trans people can and do make alterations to their bodies to bring their sex in line with their gender. Yes, they can only do that in appearance but the changes are indeed real and physical.

Please read this government document and scroll down to "Causes of gender dysphoria" because those causes are believed to be biological in origin:

www.nidirect.gov.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria#:~:text=Causes%20of%20gender%20dysphoria,-There%20are%20many&text=Occasionally%2C%20the%20hormones%20that%20trigger,a%20result%20of%20taking%20medication

*If we do away with gender norms and trans people still exist, what will people say then?*

Why are you repeating what I already said back to me Smileless?

Also, of you don't want to date anyone, don't do it.... Simple

I'm not VS, I am disagreeing with what you've said which if you read my post, you would realise. Here's a clue, my post begins with "No VS'.

And if to demonstrate my point, Northumbria Police, (who must be sitting rocking in a corner by now), have just stated that JKR' tweet identifying a man as a man does not meet the criminal threshold.

But it wasn't that simple was it VS. The lesbian dating event was temporarily closed down because the lady running it was accused of transphobia for not wanting trans women to attend.

If only it were that simple.

Smileless2012

I'm not VS, I am disagreeing with what you've said which if you read my post, you would realise. Here's a clue, my post begins with "No VS'.

You disagreed with me by saying the same thing

That's some cognitive dissonance right there

Galaxy

And if to demonstrate my point, Northumbria Police, (who must be sitting rocking in a corner by now), have just stated that JKR' tweet identifying a man as a man does not meet the criminal threshold.

What does transphobia look like Galaxy?

Does it cover the same ground as homophobia?

Thanks for your pink news evidence. VS.

Still doesn’t excuse the actions of some TW towards lesbians-or * VS, do you think lesbians should be obliged to accept TW*

(That would look more like the discrimination and oppression you mentioned earlier, but aimed at lesbians.)

What does transphobia look like?

It’s hard to say.

A phobia is an irrational fear
So
-any female being attacked by a TW, doesn’t exhibit transphobia
-or any female fearing to be deprived of an award or a female job by a TW, doesn’t exhibit transphobia
-or any female being faced with a TW when a female has sought refuge in a female safe space, doesn’t exhibit transphobia
- or any female (and this one is from experience) including the nursing staff, being faced by a violent TW on a female ward when you are in a mental health facility because of trauma caused by males doesn’t exhibit transphobia
-or any female changing clothes in a shop or at a swimming pool and being faced by a TW making it quite clear he is male, doesn’t exhibit transphobia
Or any lesbians faced by TW demanding access to their meetings or demanding that they accept them as women won’t be exhibiting transphobia

All those actions by TW who do them, cause a fear of TW that is certainly not irrational and when they hit the headlines with those actions it might arouse fear that being a TW means they do those things.

That fear could be described as being irrational, but it’s a fear that has been caused by some TW and ALL TRA who support them.
The solution lies in their hands.

I have given a detailed example in my previous post.
I included criteria for train drivers and everything.

Mollygo

Some lesbians date trans women and are still lesbians, when you want to allow women a choice in who they date, you must allow for all women, which means not pushing your personal view that trans women do not belong at a lesbian dating event upon all the lesbians who wish to join it.

Yes some of your examples given examples are not transphobia but some are in some circumstances and your second to last paragraph definitely is an example of transphobia.

As a bisexual myself, I have experienced homophobia and understand what it looks like and back in the day, people's mistreatment of myself and my friends were justified by similar stories of gay people commiting crimes. Neither myself or my friends were guilty of such but were treated as if we were... That was homophobia

Ergo they are not the sex they wish to be...your words VS, they may wish to be the opposite sex but that isn't going to happen.

Are you really being serious VS!!! You posted that "trans people can and do make alterations to their bodies to bring their sex in line with their gender".

I posted that they do not. "They make changes to represent outwardly, what they believe inwardly their gender should be. They cannot bring their sex in line with their gender. They cannot change sex, only their outward appearance".

How on earth is that saying the same thing?

Men committing crimes not trans people.

Trans women do not belong to a lesbian dating event, unless all lesbians in attendance want them to be there because trans women are not women.

Are we not at the moment talking about whether trans women should be at a lesbian dating event? If so what does being bi sexual have to do with it?

VioletSky

So things aren't real if they are recent history? That's an odd thought

Did I say that? I merely noted that your two anecdotal accounts were not recent, so one wonders how frequently these 'incidents' happen. I notice you make no comment on one person giving their individual experience (which you take as evidence) but discounting the experiences of an 80 person sample.

And the law agrees. Court case recently decided that a lesbian event can go ahead, one that is fir women only.

Lesbians who date intact transwomen are of course perfectly free to do so, but I'd have thought they were more accurately described as bisexual. The definition of homosexual is homo=same sex attracted. Hetero=opposite sex attracted. Anybody happy to have sex with a vagina or a penis is bi= two sex attracted. You have sex with sexed bodies not some amorphous identity.

In your opinion VS but some lesbians would disagree that someone who dates a trans woman is a lesbian and before you ask, I know two.